Dawkins coming around?

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Dawkins coming around?

Post by darinhouston » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:54 am

Make sure to visit the site and watch the short video snippet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9102740/Richard-Dawkins-I-cant-be-sure-God-does-not-exist.html wrote:
Richard Dawkins: "I can't be sure God does not exist"

He is regarded as the most famous atheist in the world but last night Professor Richard Dawkins admitted he could not be sure that God does not exist.

He told the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, that he preferred to call himself an agnostic rather than an atheist.

The two men were taking part in a public “dialogue” at Oxford University at the end of a week which has seen bitter debate about the role of religion in public life in Britain.

Last week Baroness Warsi, the Tory party chairman, warned of a tide of “militant secularism” challenging the religious foundations of British society.

The discussion, in Sir Christopher Wren’s Sheldonian Theatre, attracted attention from around the world.

As well as being relayed to two other theatres, it was streamed live on the internet and promoted fierce debate on the Twitter social network.

For much of the discussion the Archbishop sat quietly listening to Prof Dawkins’s explanations of human evolution.

At one point he told the professor that he was “inspired” by “elegance” of the professor’s explanation for the origins of life – and agreed with much of it.

Prof Dawkins told him: “What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”

Dr Williams replied that he “entirely agreed” with the “beauty” of Prof Dawkins’s argument but added: “I’m not talking about God as an extra who you shoehorn on to that.”

There was surprise when Prof Dawkins acknowledged that he was less than 100 per cent certain of his conviction that there is no creator.

The philosopher Sir Anthony Kenny, who chaired the discussion, interjected: “Why don’t you call yourself an agnostic?” Prof Dawkins answered that he did.

An incredulous Sir Anthony replied: “You are described as the world’s most famous atheist.”

Prof Dawkins said that he was “6.9 out of seven” sure of his beliefs.

“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,” he added.

He also said that he believed it was highly likely that there was life on other planets.

At one point he discussion strayed onto the theoretical question of whether a traditional cut throat razor could be described as a more complicated thing than an electric shaver.

There was laughter as the Archbishop said he would attempt an answer before adding: “Not that I know much about razors.”

During a wide-ranging discussion the Archbishop also said that he believed that human beings had evolved from non-human ancestors but were nevertheless “in the image of God”.

He also said that the explanation for the creation of the world in the Book of Genesis could not be taken literally.

“The writers of the Bible, inspired as I believe they were, they were nonetheless not inspired to do 21st Century physics,” he said.

When Prof Dawkins suggested that he believed the Pope took a rather more literal interpretation of the origins of humans, the Archbishop joked: “I will ask him some time.”

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Re: Hitchens coming around?

Post by jeremiah » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:51 pm

darinhouston wrote:Prof Dawkins told him: “What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”

Dr Williams replied that he “entirely agreed” with the “beauty” of Prof Dawkins’s argument but added: “I’m not talking about God as an extra who you shoehorn on to that.”
right on man, yeah darin, thanks. i did enjoy that
grace and peace..
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Re: Hitchens coming around?

Post by jeremiah » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:32 am

the audio for this discussion can be found here. http://ondemand.premier.org.uk/unbeliev ... oFeed.aspxthe links work just like the narrow path. either left click to listen online, or right click then "save link/target as" to download the file. and if you don't already know of "unbelievable radio" i highly recommend the podcast, their format is an interesting one. though not always, justin brierley generally hosts a believer and a non believer to discuss a certain topic. the exchanges are rarely heated, and generally thought provoking. enjoy. grace and peace...
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Re: Hitchens coming around?

Post by darinhouston » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:12 am

It's unbelievable! Duh duh duh, duh duh duh duh... it's unbelievable! (it's hard to hum in text).

I like the show -- it's nice sometimes also just to experience the style and approach from evangelicals across the pond. It also reminds me how faithless most of Europe is today. Franky, I think it's the same here -- we just haven't shed the cultural clothing of religion as they have done.

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