Re: The Days of Creation
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:10 pm
Dwight speaking: Society at large has made evolution a litmus test of whether someone is considered intelligent and trustworthy. You are hopping on to that bandwagon of political correctness, rather than "going out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach". Hebrews 13:3 A sick world does not need lies and theories, it needs the truth of the word of God. You are not doing the world any favors by propagating evolution and the big bang. You are simply reinforcing their unbelief in God and the Bible.Si wrote:Since I started posting here, this is one topic that I have avoided. For whatever reason, it seems to draw out a lot of unfair generalizations, and an overall refusal by some to even attempt to understand alternative viewpoints.
Dwight speaking: I think most young earther's, as I am, not only attempt to understand, but do understand evolution enough to know that it is not taught or even hinted at in scripture. What really is unfair is when you label those of us who disagree with you as unfair and falsely accuse us of not even attempting to understand evolution.
For the record, I believe Genesis is God-Breathed scripture. I also think evolution and big bang cosmology are fine scientific theories and I see no reason to reject them.
Dwight speaking: You're welcome to your opinion. In my opinion, there is no evidence for either of those theories and especially none in the Bible.
Human evolution has interested me especially. About 10 years ago I got my DNA tested and traced the branches back tens of thousands of years,
Dwight speaking: Please explain how it is possible to trace your "branches" back tens of thousands of years. If that really happened, then it would invalidate all of the genealogies in the Bible. I'm not buying it. I would rather trust God's word than some wacko scientist who claims he can trace anything back that far.
and I have watched with awe as the human genome has been decoded (led by an evangelical Christian Francis Collins). Astronomy has also been a fascination and passion of mine. Just recently I watched a documentary about how matter formed in the very early stages after the Big Bang, and it seems to me to be a pure act of creation.
Dwight speaking: Sorry, but the Bible says that God spoke everything into existence. There is no Big Bang or evolution mentioned in scripture.
I got goosebumps watching it. By the way, the theory was first proposed by a priest, Georges LemaƮtre.
Dwight speaking: Does that make it more valid?
The thing is, all of these things led me TO God, not away from him. Yes, I think God can work through evolutionary science and big bang cosmology to show that he is creator and that "The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork."
Evolutionary science and big bang cosmology are not needed to show us that God is the creator or that the heavens declare His glory or that the firmament displays His handiwork. The Bible already does that. The word of God does that.
I am not the only one that thinks this, more and more people every day, who grew up being taught evolution, are led to God through the fingerprints of the Creator that they see in his creation.
Dwight speaking: I would venture to say that more people are led away from God, because of the teaching of evolution. I would further guess that most evolutionists are either atheists or agnostics.
Young Earth Creationists like to compare the universe to a watch and proclaim the need for a watchmaker. It seems to me that Evolutionary Creationists in a sense believe God planted a seed and tended his creation as a caring gardener would his favorite tree, as it grew into galaxies and stars and planets and earth and eventually us.
Dwight speaking: Wrong. The galaxies, stars, planets, earth and humans were not the result of some primordial soup growing and evolving. All of those were created by God in 6 days, according to Genesis.
If you are going to allow for considerations of genre, literary style and history to render Revelation 20 as symbolic, to apply a consistent standard, you have to allow for the same to apply to Genesis 1. It is as simple as that.
Dwight speaking: Really? Where does it say that? Just because one chapter of the Bible is obviously filled with symbolism, you feel obligated to label another chapter symbolic, when the context doesn't indicate that?
We live in a very sick world and people need The Lord. And quite honestly, I feel that if Young Earth Creationism is made a litmus test of orthodoxy, people are going to be driven away, and that is tragic.