Re: Sin against the body
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:03 am
Diserner,
Thanks for the answer. Of course this is your interpretation based on the conclusions you have drawn regarding marriage. It is the popular one, I do recognize that.
Not to open another conversation of most likely disagreement........................but I wonder how you and the others here feel about God's command to not eat pork. Is this because God hates the pig? Or is there something about pork that is unhealthy to the body. I don't want to start a discussion on whether the law delivered by Moses is still in effect........that is not the point.
That being said...................eating food that is unhealthy is not only damaging to your actual flesh and bones; it is also disrespect to the Creator. And since the body is the temple for the Holy Spirit, it would also "grieve" the Spirit. So it is both physical and non-physical/spiritual. Physical in that your body will suffer. Spiritual in that you are grieving the spirit as the body is the temple for the spirit.
Do you believe God commanded us not to eat pork because He hates the pig; or because pork is unhealthy for the body? (rhetorical)
I believe when Paul made a specific point or even 'pause' to explain that sexual immorality is a sin like no other.............he was literally making a distinction between sins that dwell in the spirit/heart/soul and a sin which is a direct violation of flesh and blood. Obviously an unpopular interpretation. But understand that my interpretation does not solely rest on this one particular passage. It is taking the ENTIRETY of Scripture into consideration. Dinah's brothers called Dinah -- Defiled. If there is no violation against the actual flesh and blood, why was Dinah defiled. Surely forgiveness will suffice. Amazingly...........death followed. Whenever you deal with sex and marriage in the Scriptures, death is often part of the equation. The man who rapes -- death. The girl who lies about her virginity -- death. David had to have Uriah killed. The list goes on and on. Judah and Tamar. God killed in this situation. "Go into your brother's wife and marry her". You cannot find ONE example of a non-virgin (not including widow) girl taking a husband and it be a righteous union.
Paul says sexual immorality is a sin like no other. All other sins are "outside the body" he says -- Sins of the heart/mind/soul. Sexual immorality is NONE OF THESE. Paul calls it 'against the body'. I believe, and Scripture affirms, that sexual immorality is a direct violation against the flesh.
"For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." 2 Cor 11:2
I don't like to use "non-biblical" sources to prove a position; BUT, if you study history as it relates to "betrothal", you find that the betrothal period was one of 9 months. Why 9 months? It was a time designated to judge the authenticity of the bride's virginal status. Like Mary, a woman found pregnant would violate marriage law.
We can confirm that here as Paul uses the illustration of the betrothal period to highlight a spiritual reality. Paul relates being "pure" -- sinless; to a bride to be being a virgin upon her wedding night. Paul desires that upon that great day of judgment, that we be found a spiritual virgin -- sinless. Just as a woman must be a 'virgin' in order to have a righteous marital union.
And let us not forget -- "There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried......" Who is the unmarried? The virgin.
It seems only one person here made the distinction that sexual immorality was directly related to the flesh. Paidon I believe. He made the connection that a Venereal Disease was a likely result of such a sin.
All the other interpretations focus on the supernatural --- the mind/soul/heart connection. Covetousness is a sin against the mind/soul/heart. Idolatry -- mind/soul/heart. Sexual immorality is in a category all it's own.
Thanks for your time. I learn everyday.
Here is a medical study which reveals a man's DNA being found in women's DNA -- http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-934 ... 6/abstract
The Scriptures speak to the woman being "known" by the man as a result of sexual intercourse. The Old Testament writers did not understand DNA as we do today. But obviously the Spirit led them. How is "one flesh" anything other than physical? Not to mention that an actual human life form can be the result of the sexual union. The child is both a creation of the man's blood (dna) and the woman's blood. Fascinating.
Thanks for the answer. Of course this is your interpretation based on the conclusions you have drawn regarding marriage. It is the popular one, I do recognize that.
Not to open another conversation of most likely disagreement........................but I wonder how you and the others here feel about God's command to not eat pork. Is this because God hates the pig? Or is there something about pork that is unhealthy to the body. I don't want to start a discussion on whether the law delivered by Moses is still in effect........that is not the point.
That being said...................eating food that is unhealthy is not only damaging to your actual flesh and bones; it is also disrespect to the Creator. And since the body is the temple for the Holy Spirit, it would also "grieve" the Spirit. So it is both physical and non-physical/spiritual. Physical in that your body will suffer. Spiritual in that you are grieving the spirit as the body is the temple for the spirit.
Do you believe God commanded us not to eat pork because He hates the pig; or because pork is unhealthy for the body? (rhetorical)
I believe when Paul made a specific point or even 'pause' to explain that sexual immorality is a sin like no other.............he was literally making a distinction between sins that dwell in the spirit/heart/soul and a sin which is a direct violation of flesh and blood. Obviously an unpopular interpretation. But understand that my interpretation does not solely rest on this one particular passage. It is taking the ENTIRETY of Scripture into consideration. Dinah's brothers called Dinah -- Defiled. If there is no violation against the actual flesh and blood, why was Dinah defiled. Surely forgiveness will suffice. Amazingly...........death followed. Whenever you deal with sex and marriage in the Scriptures, death is often part of the equation. The man who rapes -- death. The girl who lies about her virginity -- death. David had to have Uriah killed. The list goes on and on. Judah and Tamar. God killed in this situation. "Go into your brother's wife and marry her". You cannot find ONE example of a non-virgin (not including widow) girl taking a husband and it be a righteous union.
Paul says sexual immorality is a sin like no other. All other sins are "outside the body" he says -- Sins of the heart/mind/soul. Sexual immorality is NONE OF THESE. Paul calls it 'against the body'. I believe, and Scripture affirms, that sexual immorality is a direct violation against the flesh.
"For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." 2 Cor 11:2
I don't like to use "non-biblical" sources to prove a position; BUT, if you study history as it relates to "betrothal", you find that the betrothal period was one of 9 months. Why 9 months? It was a time designated to judge the authenticity of the bride's virginal status. Like Mary, a woman found pregnant would violate marriage law.
We can confirm that here as Paul uses the illustration of the betrothal period to highlight a spiritual reality. Paul relates being "pure" -- sinless; to a bride to be being a virgin upon her wedding night. Paul desires that upon that great day of judgment, that we be found a spiritual virgin -- sinless. Just as a woman must be a 'virgin' in order to have a righteous marital union.
And let us not forget -- "There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried......" Who is the unmarried? The virgin.
It seems only one person here made the distinction that sexual immorality was directly related to the flesh. Paidon I believe. He made the connection that a Venereal Disease was a likely result of such a sin.
All the other interpretations focus on the supernatural --- the mind/soul/heart connection. Covetousness is a sin against the mind/soul/heart. Idolatry -- mind/soul/heart. Sexual immorality is in a category all it's own.
Thanks for your time. I learn everyday.
Here is a medical study which reveals a man's DNA being found in women's DNA -- http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-934 ... 6/abstract
The Scriptures speak to the woman being "known" by the man as a result of sexual intercourse. The Old Testament writers did not understand DNA as we do today. But obviously the Spirit led them. How is "one flesh" anything other than physical? Not to mention that an actual human life form can be the result of the sexual union. The child is both a creation of the man's blood (dna) and the woman's blood. Fascinating.