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Post by darinhouston » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:57 am

Some more news on how OSHA is not merely "following the science" with this program but "avoiding the science" and not "following the law" to achieve a result in a way they've never done before.

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An OSHA Cover-Up Feeds Vaccine-Conspiracy Theories
By DAN MCLAUGHLIN
October 22, 2021 9:52 AM

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a ... -theories/

Anti-vaccine propaganda and conspiracy theories are not something the government can successfully control, but the government can absolutely make them worse by acting as if it has a bias toward covering up the side effects or adverse reactions to vaccines. OSHA is doing precisely that by announcing on its website that it has suspended reporting requirements that normally would cause employers to report adverse reactions to the vaccine. From the FAQ section of OSHA’s website (emphasis mine):
DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination at least through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.
The recording requirements in question are not specific to COVID, or to vaccines in general; the lengthy, highly detailed rules “require employers to record and report work-related fatalities, injuries, and illnesses,” and they apply to all manner of injury and illness that could potentially be classified as work-related. For example, the rule on “occupational exposure to blood or other potentially infectious materials” alone runs over 7,500 words and includes detailed requirements for employers to offer Hepatitis B vaccinations and “Information on the hepatitis B vaccine, including information on its efficacy, safety, method of administration, the benefits of being vaccinated, and that the vaccine and vaccination will be offered free of charge.”

It would be one thing if OSHA decided, as a general, ongoing matter, that paperwork requirements deterred employers from offering or requiring vaccinations and that the government should therefore not overload businesses with such requirements. That is an entirely reasonable, pro-business, pro-vaccine approach to take. But that is not what OSHA has done here, or why it has done it. The rule is not being changed; OSHA is just declining to enforce it for one specific vaccine. This alone is typical of how the administrative state exercises power: Never relinquish power on any general principle, but retain the discretion to be selective in order to play favorites and keep the citizenry dependent upon official favor. Also, the official explanation says specifically that OSHA’s first concern is the “appearance of discouraging workers” — it says right there in black and white that the federal government is afraid that people won’t get the vaccine if the usual rules for reporting side effects and other adverse reactions are followed. We’re all familiar with government coverups, but normally, one does not announce them formally in advance.

We have already seen plenty of mismanagement of public expectations for the benefits of COVID vaccination, particularly the whipsaw between public-health officials treating vaccination as a passport to freedom from COVID (hence, mandates and show-your-papers requirements), then continuing to tell vaccinated people to wear masks as the media breathlessly hypes “breakthrough” infections. All of this seems designed to degrade public trust in the vaccines, which are one of the great miracles of the modern American system. We should not fear truthful information about adverse reactions to the vaccines; there will always be some of those, and any system for collecting adverse reports will always also include people claiming reactions that may not actually be connected to the medicine they received. Openly announcing that the government is suspending the usual rules in order to avoid knowing things about the COVID vaccine is a terrible idea. It will only feed the hysteria of the anti-vaccine movement.

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Post by darinhouston » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:31 am

UK has been keeping much better data, and have been "ahead of us" (at least with the variants) so it's worth following.
From @SteveDeace

For second week in a row, UK data shows in every age demographic other than those under 30 -- who already do the best with Covid -- the vaccinated are MORE Covid infected than the unvaccinated.

https://img.mewe.com/api/v2/photo/B580g ... g?static=0

[if that link doesn't work, the chart is shown on page 13 of this UK Covid surveillance report.]
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-42.pdf

Here's the former director of the CDC, now advising Maryland's Covid response, admitting on television about 40% of those who have died with Covid in the state the past 6-8 weeks were fully vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/Kukicat7/status/1451252481351106567

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Post by darinhouston » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:44 am

I hope this isn't true, but have suspected something like this was going to happen. What this seems to say is that "naturally acquired immunity" is only possible if you've never gotten the shot. If it's a better form of immunity (it is), then this is a problem. What isn't clear yet is what happens to those who acquired their immunity before getting the jab -- does that lessen the immunity over time of the previously infected/recovered?

From @alexberenson

URGENT: Covid vaccines will keep you from acquiring full immunity EVEN IF YOU ARE INFECTED AND RECOVER
Alex Berenson Oct 21

Don’t take it from me, I don’t even get to tweet anymore.

Take it from a little place I call the British government. Which admitted today, in its newest vaccine surveillance report, that:

“N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” (Page 23)

What’s this mean? Several things, all bad. We know the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission of the virus (in fact, the report shows elsewhere that vaccinated adults are now being infected at much HIGHER rates than the unvaccinated).

What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people.

This means vaccinated people will be far more vulnerable to mutations in the spike protein EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN INFECTED AND RECOVERED ONCE (or more than once, probably).

It also means the virus is likely to select for mutations that go in exactly that direction, because those will essentially give it an enormous vulnerable population to infect. And it probably is still more evidence the vaccines may interfere with the development of robust long-term immunity post-infection.

Aside from that, everything is fine.



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Post by Homer » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:44 am

What’s this mean? Several things, all bad. We know the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission of the virus (in fact, the report shows elsewhere that vaccinated adults are now being infected at much HIGHER rates than the unvaccinated).
I don't know if this is the same study we heard of that was done in England; in that one they were said to find (figures from memory) 38 infections among unvaccinated while there were 64 cases in vaccinated people. Sounded very bad for vaccines. However, I found, from another source, that the pool of people surveyed consisted of almost 10 times as many vaccinated people as the unvaccinated.

I'm still bemused at how this great conspiracy works. The Democrats and Republicans appear to loathe and despise one another, and will do anything the can to hurt the other party. The Trump administration expedited the vaccine, Biden downplayed it and got elected then became a huge fan of the vaccine. Surely if there was a problem with the vaccine, one or the other party would have spilled the beans to get an advantage over the other. Yet they are joined together in this huge conspiracy? And many who are said to be Christians are part of it?

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Post by darinhouston » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:19 am

Homer wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:44 am
I'm still bemused at how this great conspiracy works. The Democrats and Republicans appear to loathe and despise one another, and will do anything the can to hurt the other party. The Trump administration expedited the vaccine, Biden downplayed it and got elected then became a huge fan of the vaccine. Surely if there was a problem with the vaccine, one or the other party would have spilled the beans to get an advantage over the other. Yet they are joined together in this huge conspiracy? And many who are said to be Christians are part of it?
Anyone looking for anything consistent to discern truth derived from the actions in party politics is worshiping an idol. Party politics is a false dialectic to sustain the illusion of a democratic process. They all believe in governmental power as a fundamental precept and all else is theater. That said, there are a few "comparably honest" Republicans like Ted Cruz, and the physician Senator Rand Paul who are pressing for sanity. All else seems to be an unadulterated desire for power.

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Post by darinhouston » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:35 pm

This is an interesting news story by Sharyl Atkisson on the Amish and how they responded to the pandemic and how it's turned out for them.

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... ted-covid/

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Post by Homer » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:02 pm

Darin,

Saw this:
Here's the former director of the CDC, now advising Maryland's Covid response, admitting on television about 40% of those who have died with Covid in the state the past 6-8 weeks were fully vaccinated.
This is not very useful info. It is well known that no vaccine is 100% effective, especially the one-shot J & J vaccine. So it appears that 60% unvaccinated died during the time period. Info needed to come to any meaningful conclusion would be the relative age and health of the 40% vs. the 60%. Also are they calling the death of anyone with Covid as caused by Covid?

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Post by Paidion » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:51 pm

Dr.Kelley Victory discusses Covid Vaccine causing blood clots:
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Post by darinhouston » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:23 pm

Homer wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:02 pm
Darin,

Saw this:
Here's the former director of the CDC, now advising Maryland's Covid response, admitting on television about 40% of those who have died with Covid in the state the past 6-8 weeks were fully vaccinated.
This is not very useful info. It is well known that no vaccine is 100% effective, especially the one-shot J & J vaccine. So it appears that 60% unvaccinated died during the time period. Info needed to come to any meaningful conclusion would be the relative age and health of the 40% vs. the 60%. Also are they calling the death of anyone with Covid as caused by Covid?
Not very useful? You've got to be kidding. No vaccine is 100% effective, but this is not consistent with a vaccine having any real meaningful effectiveness at all. Particularly since this is deaths and not infections. It is pretty much conceded that it has little effect on infections or infectiousness after a few months. And I'm not sure of death with vs. death from, but that has been the problem with ALL of the officially reported data about Covid deaths from the beginning. I believe the standard (if you can call it that) is the same, though they did quit tracking Covid infections for those who had received the vaccine at one point. The main point is that the order of magnitude risk of death doesn't seem to be changed with the vaccine and there is a not zero risk of harm in the near to mid term with an indeterminate (but highly likely) risk of harm at least for some in the long term from this type of vaccine.

I do think it's funny that those who refused to answer questions like "with vs. from" and refusing to report stratified data for age groups and co-morbidities during the last 2 years of the pandemic are now clamoring to excuse clear data patterns with such inquiries and criticisms. (and changing PCR testing methodologies for vaccinated yet keeping the heightened sensitivity for unvaccinated).

If you don't smell scam here, you don't have a scam-sniffer.

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