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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by darinhouston » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:02 am

This should interest you...

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:43 am

darinhouston wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:02 am
This should interest you...

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality
Dwight - So these charts are reporting deaths due to the vaccine?

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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by darinhouston » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:27 am

dwight92070 wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:43 am
darinhouston wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:02 am
This should interest you...

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality
Dwight - So these charts are reporting deaths due to the vaccine?
I believe it's only those deaths reported in VAERS as being likely "DUE TO" the vaccine, but two things... (1) causation can be difficult to determine and (2) VAERS is known and studied and believed to be 10-100X under-reported (confirmed most recently for Covid in a significant Harvard study).

But, one thing most people aren't aware of -- I heard a Doctor describing the VAERS reporting system and it's being reported very dishonestly (like everything else). To hear media reports (and even administration officials) talk about these reports, they treat it almost like a blog -- that anyone can just go online and make an entry themselves. But, it's a VERY VERY VERY rigorous process and most doctors don't even do it because it's so time consuming and burdensome with medical charting and diagnostic information requirements and consent (and, as reported, most doctors aren't even aware of it or how to do it as part of their practice). (and nurses are reportedly being fired in big hospital systems for trying to be vigilant in their reporting). It requires a LOT of paperwork and medical information and requires follow-up reviews and interviews with CDC medical staff before it's officially listed in VAERS. AND (a big and) it's a major felony to file a false VAERS report.

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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by darinhouston » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:29 am

This is the sort of madness that happens when hysteria drives policy.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/faa-vaccine-policy-violates-its-own-rules-attorneys-and-doctors-say_4179114.html wrote:FAA Vaccine Policy Violates Its Own Rules, Attorneys and Doctors Say

Spc. Kailee Soares prepares a dose of the COVID-19 vaccine during a drive to vaccinate Hawaii National Guardsmen assigned to the COVID-19 task force response on Kauai Island, Jan. 12, 2021. (U.S. Air National Guard /Master Sgt. Andrew Jackson)
The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) is breaking its own rule that states pilots should not fly after having taken medications that have been approved for less than a year, according to a group of attorneys, doctors, and other experts; including a pilot who says his career ended due to adverse reactions from a vaccine.

Airlines, which are government contractors, are affected by President Joe Biden’s order from September that states all employees of those companies have to be vaccinated against the CCP virus.

The group of attorneys and doctors wrote a letter directed at the FAA, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Justice, as well as several airlines, demanding that they medically flag all vaccinated pilots and have them re-examined for blood clotting problems as well as their cardiac health.

“The Federal Aviation Agency is charged with ensuring the safety of the flying public. Instead, as we speak the FAA, as well as the commercial airline companies, are acting in contravention of their own federal aviation regulations and associated guidance which tells medical examiners to NOT issue medical certifications to pilots using non-FDA approved products,” human rights attorney and primary author of the letter, Leigh Dundas, told The Epoch Times via email.

“The title of the section I’m talking about literally says ‘Do Not Issue—Do Not Fly’ and then instructs medical examiners to ‘not issue’ medical certifications to pilots using products that the FDA ‘approved less than 12 months ago.’ … The pilots are flying with products which are not even recently approved—in violation of the above wording—they are flying with injections in their bodies which were NEVER approved by the FDA at all (as no COVID vaccine which is commercially available in the U.S. has received FDA approval),” Dundas said.

Amid widespread confusion about the availability of the FDA-approved Pfizer vaccine, The Epoch Times did an investigation in October and discovered that the approved Comirnaty version of the vaccine was still not commercially available in the United States. Pfizer says it’s the same vaccine that originally received emergency use authorization.

Another one of the signers is Cody Flint, whose career as a pilot ended after voluntarily taking the jab and experiencing adverse effects. He is a father of two with no underlying conditions.

The 34-year-old agricultural pilot doesn’t remember how he landed after nearly blacking out in mid-flight.

He was flying his aircraft when tunnel vision started to kick in and a headache he had developed after getting the jab worsened.

About two hours after having taken off, he decided to pull up the plane to go back and felt an “extreme burst of pressure” in his ears, then immediately “nearly blacked out, [and felt] dizzy, disoriented, nauseous, and [was] shaking uncontrollably,” Flint told The Epoch Times.

As a commercial pilot, Flint was concerned when he first saw FAA’s 48-hour no-fly rule after a COVID-19 vaccination.

The FAA has stated that pilots and air traffic controllers may receive the COVID-19 vaccine, with appropriate precautions.

“I find it hard to comprehend how the FAA justified moving the goalposts of safety from one full year of post-marketing safety review to only two days. The dangers associated with a pilot experiencing a severe adverse reaction from an mRNA-type Covid vaccine while at the controls of an airplane can be horrifying and deadly to say the least.

“As a pilot that experienced a tragic and career-ending adverse reaction to the Pfizer COVID vaccine while actively flying an airplane, I feel I can honestly and creditably speak out about the dangers associated with pilots returning to flight duties too early following COVID mRNA type vaccination,” he added.

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Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Chief Steve Dickson pilots a Boeing 737 MAX aircraft on return from an evaluation flight at Boeing Field in Seattle, Wash., on Sept. 30, 2020. (Mike Siegel/File Photo/Pool via Reuters)
Another signer, Dr. Pete Constantine Chambers, D.O. has been practicing medicine for 25 years, 16 of which he served as a Flight Surgeon attached to Special Operations.

“Unfortunately, several of my soldiers have experienced hospitalizations for serious diagnoses to include brain hemorrhages, myocarditis, anaphylaxis, pulmonary emboli, and vertigo. These were all post-vaccination. Army Regulations state we should be tracking these cases post-immunization. Other concerns stem from the recent rash of suicides amongst soldiers serving on the mission. The added deployment stressors placed upon the young heroes paired with the unknowns of experimental medications concerns me,” Chambers told The Epoch Times.

He made clear that his opinions are personal and don’t reflect those of the State Military Department, the Medical Command, or the Department of Defense.

Chambers believes he might get criticized for speaking out, but just as he is “perfectly willing, to lay down my life for fellow soldiers,” also, he is “perfectly willing to risk professional scrutiny to protect my soldiers with the same zeal and love for their very existence.

“I had warned the medical command and leaders to pay strict attention to these stressors as I was conducting an initial study early in the deployment. My study was cut short when I was ordered to focus only on convincing soldiers to take the vaccine and not to administer informed consents,” Chambers added.

“I also believe as a provider in the first stanza of the Hippocratic Oath; ‘First of all, do no harm.'”

Aerospace Occupational Medicine Specialist LTC Colonel Theresa Long, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Ryan Cole, and Mary Holland from Children’s Health Defense also signed the letter.

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Mary Holland (R) Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (C) and Kevin Jenkins (L) speak at Broadway Rally For Freedom in Manhattan, New York, on Oct. 16, 2021. (Enrico Trigoso/The Epoch Times)
Upon The Epoch Times’ request for comment to the FAA about the potential violation of the 12-month regulation, the agency referred to an FAQ page on its website.

“The Federal Air Surgeon determined that FAA medical certificate holders may not act as pilot in command, or in any other capacity as a required flightcrew member, for 48 hours after each dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. The Federal Air Surgeon made this determination after evaluation of available medical information about these COVID-19 vaccines and potential side effects. As a result of this determination and consistent with 14 CFR § 61.53(a), each person subject to part 67 who receives the vaccine must wait 48 hours after each dose before acting as pilot in command or as a required flightcrew member,” it states.

The Epoch Times reached out to the U.S. Army and Pfizer for comment.

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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by darinhouston » Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:10 pm

I haven't digested all of this yet, but it looks packed full of good information and a good walkthrough of the data from Pfizer's vaccine "trials". This is the information that got Robert Malone (early mRNA scientist/inventor) banned from Twitter.

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.o ... 6-2021.pdf

And the video...

https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-in ... -good.html

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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by darinhouston » Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:35 pm

Homer wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:10 pm
From where the rubber meets the road, Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak, Michigan:
Ventilators have become a common hospital metric over the course of the coronavirus pandemic, but one Michigan doctor highlighted that the use of such machines typically signals a dire future for most COVID-19 patients.

"Once people get intubated, their course tends to be long and protracted," Dr. Barbara Ducatman, the chief medical officer at Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak, told Newsweek. "People die once they get to that point."

"Those are where we see most of our deaths—from patients who have been intubated in the ICU," she said.

Across Beaumont's eight hospitals, which are a part of Michigan's largest healthcare system there are currently 563 COVID patients. Among those hospitalizations, unvaccinated people account for two-thirds.

But those figures become much more skewed when analyzing the number of patients who require ventilation. Of the 51 patients on a ventilator, more than 85 percent of them are unvaccinated.

"Vaccinated patients tend to come in and they spend a few days in the hospital, usually on a little bit of supplemental oxygen, not a lot. They may end up in the progressive unit, which means they're a little bit sicker, but generally, they don't end up going to the ICU, getting intubated, and then spending a very long time in the hospital," Ducatman said.
Another view of relative risk of serious illness/death...
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccines-dont-stop-covid-hospitalizations wrote: Vaccines don’t stop Covid hospitalizations or deaths
They never have, even at peak effectiveness. A huge US database offers proof

Alex Berenson Dec 29

Even at the peak of their protection earlier in 2021, Covid vaccines barely reduced the risk of hospitalizations in vaccinated people who had “breakthrough” infections, new data show.

Vaccinated people in a study published Tuesday had a nearly 1 in 200 chance of of requiring hospitalization for Covid in the first six months after being “fully vaccinated.”

That stunning risk came even though the median age of people in the study was only 51, and most were relatively healthy.

Deaths, ventilator use, and other severe outcomes also occurred regularly in vaccinated people. The data comes from a study of about 600,000 vaccinated Americans seen at over 100 academic medical centers.

The study was published online Dec. 28 in the Journal of the American Medical Association - JAMA Internal Medicine.

The data in the study also make clear how quickly vaccine protection fades after the second dose - and that the Centers for Disease Control hugely understated the number of vaccinated people hospitalized for Covid earlier this year.

Of the 600,000 fully vaccinated people, about 2,800 required inpatient hospitalization for Covid in the first six months after “full vaccination.” That period starts 14 days after the second dose of mRNA vaccines, when vaccine protection should be at peak.

Almost 3 percent of fully vaccinated people, or 1 in 35, were infected over the first six months, with infection rates accelerating sharply at the end of the study.

In all, 148 of the 600,000 vaccinated people had what the study’s authors called “serious” outcomes from Covid, including ventilation or death, in the first six months after full vaccination.

The study does not reveal how many people were infected or hospitalized for Covid after the first dose or less than two weeks after the second, when rates of infection, hospitalization, and death are known to be even higher.

The stunning figures are buried in a supplemental table of the study, which focused on the post-vaccination risk to a small group of people who have serious immune complications. The paper’s researchers compared infection, hospitalization, and death rates in about 35,000 immune-compromised people with about 570,000 who did not.

Somewhat surprisingly, the researchers found immune-compromised people had only a slight extra risk of SARS-Cov-2 infection, though they had about three times the risk of dying from Covid as people without immune disorders.




But by far the most interesting figures in the study are contained in a single small table in an appendix.

It compares the outcomes of the roughly 18,000 vaccinated and infected people seem at the medical centers with a much larger group of Covid patients - about 2.5 million people - who were not vaccinated and visited the same centers at any point during the epidemic.

About 84 percent of the vaccinated patients were seen as outpatients, while 16 percent required hospitalization.

In comparison, about 77 percent of unvaccinated patients were seen as outpatients, while 23 percent were hospitalized.

Almost 1 percent of the vaccinated patients had serious outcomes, including death, compared to just over 2 percent of the unvaccinated patients.

The study contained no information about post-vaccine side effects.

The findings run contrary to the endlessly repeated promises of Covid vaccine advocates that even if vaccines fail to prevent infection, they are necessary to keep hospitals from being overrun. They also help bring American hospitalization data - which is both fragmented and hopelessly politicized in a desperate effort to prove vaccine efficacy - more in line with figures from the United Kingdom and other countries.

SOURCE: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... erm=122821


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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by darinhouston » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:27 pm

And this information out of Germany is particularly interesting..
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/german-omicron-data? wrote:
german omicron data
more evidence of vaccine and booster escape and negative VE

el gato malo2 hr ago
this data recently emerged from the robert koch institute in germany.

(no, this has nothing to do with the american koch brothers. it’s a common name and this is a quasi-government health agency.)

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data such as this is easy to misinterpret and nearly everyone is doing it incorrectly, so i’d like to walk through why, counter to what many are claiming, this data actually shows that boosters have negative VE (vaccine efficacy).

caveat: this is a small and likely incomplete societal dataset. the sample size is possibly large enough to give us a sense of outcomes, but as with all societal data, it’s difficult to know what bias may be injected by self selection for testing and for vaccination. error bars are likely meaningful.

but we work with what we have, not what we would prefer, so let’s take a look:

this is the summarized raw data:

- 4020, ergo 95,58 % vollständig Geimpfte (1137 davon geboostert) - 186 Ungeimpfte (4,42 %)

4020 cases with 2 or more doses of vaccine, 1137 of them with boosters.

186 cases in the unvaccinated.

(unfortunately, there is no breakout for 1 dose only, so i’m presuming that group has been included in “unvaccinated”)

germany is 70.5% “full vaccinated.” (per OWID) thus, by the definitions this report uses, it is 29.5% unvaccinated.

it is 38.2% boosted as of 12/30/21. it’s not clear to me if this study is using that figure or only counting as boosted those who got their booster more than 14 days ago (as many seem to count it). if this is so, the number drops to 29.3%. i will look at it both ways to try to create some bookends for the range. (if anyone can clarify, i’d be grateful)

to see what is happening more granularly, we first need to regroup the terms:

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from this one can see that the 3 groups are actually fairly similar in size, but quite divergent in outcomes.

many seem to presume that because cases in the boosted are a lower percentage of overall cases than the boosted are of the overall population that this shows vaccine efficacy.

this is not, however, correct as can be readily seen once we adjust this data to a per capita level.

that data looks like this (using 83.2mm for german population)

and this makes the issue obvious.

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to calculate VE, we need to compare the vaccinated cohorts to the unvaccinated. that’s the control group. there are probably some pretty significant error bars here, but this outcome is STARK. the risk ratios for all vaccinated groups are far, far higher than control.

boosting does seem to lead to a 2/3 risk reduction vs just being double vaxxed but still leaves one at 4.7X the risk of the unvaccinated.

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this risk ratio leads to VE figures that are, frankly, so bad that i suspect there must be some sort of bias here. this looks too extreme to be entirely plausible and far exceeds all other data i have seen.

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one possible source of this issue is definitional. if the german study is using “boosted +14 days” as its definition, then the numbers change quite a bit as the size of the boosted group shrinks and the size of double vaxxed rises causing their risk rates to converge somewhat.

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another possible source of contamination is the actual act of running a booster campaign during an outbreak.

the tendency toward transitory immune suppression created by mRNA vaccine administration is well documented.

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the danes found it to be on the order of 40-100% increase in the likelihood of infection in the 2 weeks following administration (with 100% likely being a better proxy for genpop as they resemble HCW’s more than NH residents). this study was during a period of relatively low prevalence and with a less contagious variant than omicron. this needle could have moved quite a lot by now.

and all this piles up, so if you are doubling the risk of a group already showing increased risk due to vaccine escape/antigenic fixation/OAS the issue may become multiplicative.

STUDY -- https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21252200v1

full walk through:

bad cattitude
why "vaccinated covid deaths/hospitalizations" are being counted incorrectly
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/why- ... medium=web

let’s start with an example: you’re a soldier pinned down in a foxhole. across the field from you is a bunker. getting into the bunker will greatly reduce your risk of being shot. but the field you must cross is wide open to enemy fire. if you’re going to make the choice to run for the bunker, on what would you base it…

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this issue appears, in fact, to be the actual reason that the definitions are what they are and only start counting outcomes from 2 weeks post dosing.

they have been not only hiding this nasty risk window all along, but lumping the added risk it generates into “the unvaccinated” by counting all the cases/hospitalzations/deaths it causes on the trip to full vaccination as “outcomes in the unvaccinated.”

(this is 100% deliberate. folks like pfizer do not make “mistakes” like this. they make “choices” and they clearly have all the global health agencies singing from their hymnal.)

this led certain waggish internet felines to generate a graphical analogy:

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you’re a soldier pinned down in a foxhole. across the field from you is a bunker. getting into the bunker will greatly reduce your risk of being shot.

but the field you must cross is wide open to enemy fire. running across will, for a time, greatly increase your risk of being shot.

if you’re going to make the choice to run for the bunker, on what would you base it?
pharma studies and health agencies alike have been (at least as far as cases go) not only misrepresenting the bunker as safety (https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/an-e ... vaccinated), but calling anyone who gets shot making the high risk run to get to it “killed by staying in the foxhole".”

but a funny thing happens when boosters come into play:

now, the folks that get sick due to immune suppression from the booster get lumped not into the unvaxxed, but into the double vaxxed.

the same dirty trick that made double vaccination look more effective against cases, at least for a while, is now salting it with extra cases and making it look much worse.

it’s likely turning this data into an (even more complete) mess and highlighting the fact that pushing vaccination surges with these products during peak outbreaks is a terrible idea. you’re suppressing immune systems right when they are needed most and mistaking this shift of risk for “booster efficacy.”

interestingly, it also makes the VE issues basically impossible to hide any longer.

it could all pile up to be big enough to generate some pretty wild looking negative VE figures. (though i still suspect this german data is overblown and likely has some sort of extra bias)

i see no way to tease it out of this data at this point. it’s easily possible that this risk shifting means that getting boosted increases your overall risk of getting a case but that the data cannot show it because when it happens to you in the prime risk window, you get called double vaxxed, not boosted.

this seems like a very important hypothesis to explore and i’m anxious to find some data or a set of studies that allow it. if anyone has seen anything like that where we can really set the bayesian parameters properly around “cases from the instant you were boosted” i’d love to see it.



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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by dwight92070 » Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:21 pm

Steve has a good handle on Biblical teaching of governing or government authorities. His teaching and understanding of Romans 13 and I Peter 2:13-14 is very helpful. I used to think that when Romans 13 tells us that since "there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God", that God established Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung (spelling), Castro, Kim Jung Un, etc. While it is true that God allowed these evil men to "rule", their "authority" to do evil was not given to them by God. The true authority from God, the authority that He establishes, does TWO PRIMARY THINGS: (These are clearly seen in the 1 Peter passage.) 1. Punishes those who are evildoers and 2. Praises those who do right.

To accomplish these things, 1 Peter tells us that collecting taxes is necessary and right. Also, from Romans 13, we see that in order to punish evildoers, a police force, or even an army, in the case of foreign evildoers, is also necessary and right. So, whenever a political leader or ruler strays too far from these primary objectives, they are no longer exercising God's authority that He gave them.

Government programs supposedly created to do good (with taxpayers money), in my opinion, are often the greatest enemy of any country. First of all, notice that the Bible does not say that it's the governments job to do good deeds - rather it's the governments job to praise those (among the people) who do right and good. As we all know, whenever the government comes up with a new "program" to help the poor, or the homeless, or the unemployed, or the illegal alien, etc., etc., what they're really doing is creating hundreds and thousands of relatively high paying new jobs, because each program has to have people to lead it, and they in turn need paid helpers under them. Of course, we the people pay for all of that. So the actual amount of money that reaches down through the bureaucracy to the disadvantaged person is little to nothing, in comparison to how much the bureaucrats themselves keep.

So, I probably got off on a bit of a rabbit trail here, but the bottom line is: our government is not using authority given to them by God, to order us to allow them to inject us with a substance that has permanently injured or killed thousands. Nor is it God-given authority to have us fired from our jobs, if we refuse. This is evil. This is not from God.

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Re: Christians and the Covid Vaccine

Post by darinhouston » Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:11 am

Excellent article with some really good information.

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/omicron- ... y-vaccines

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