A while back, we were discussing 1 Cor. 11 and the woman's head covering:
http://www.wvss.com/forumc/viewtopic.php?t=803
Per that topic, I just posted some relevant articles:
http://5kwf.com/articles/christian%2Dliving/
I'm not exactly opening a discussion per se, just posting some resources.
The Head Covering Topic
The Head Covering Topic
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Agape,
loaves
"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)
loaves
"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)
Hi Loaves,
Nice to see you here again. I have a question...and it's truly just a question; I'm not making a statement in any way, shape or form. Do you have any articles about head covering from a woman's point of view? Like maybe how a woman feels blessed by following that teaching? Or maybe a woman who used to not cover her head, but became convinced that she should?
Nice to see you here again. I have a question...and it's truly just a question; I'm not making a statement in any way, shape or form. Do you have any articles about head covering from a woman's point of view? Like maybe how a woman feels blessed by following that teaching? Or maybe a woman who used to not cover her head, but became convinced that she should?
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MichelleM & Loaves,
The head covering issue is one I wrestled with for some time. I must have read 30 articles on it covering every point of view. This is one of the most interesting I found, and may have the best explanation:
His comment at c. (1) above explains why men are "brought into it", 1 Cor. 11:4. They were covering their heads when they prayed!
His article was the last piece of the puzzle for me; I have concluded Paul's teaching is universal in application and the real issue is maintaining gender distinction. This was also very important under the law of Moses.
At the church we attend, women neither wear head coverings nor maintain long hair. While I was working my way through this issue my dear wife said "If you think I should wear a head covering, I will wear one". I'm sure people would have thought it odd; I think she was relieved when I concluded it was unnecessary. To this day, I can not pray with anything on my head!
The head covering issue is one I wrestled with for some time. I must have read 30 articles on it covering every point of view. This is one of the most interesting I found, and may have the best explanation:
This excursus by Hicks is at the end of an outline of a lesson for a women's study group on the passage in 1 Cor. 11, at his website, www.johnmarkhicks.faithsite.com.Excusus on “Veils” (John Mark Hicks):
a. The headcovering in Corinth is not the middle eastern “veil” but the Roman practice of capite velato where leaders in public rituals would pull a covering over their head as part of the religious ritual. Only those leading the ritual would cover their head—both men and women. Rick Oster has demonstrated this in his article “When Men Wore Veils to Worship: Historical Context of I Cor. 11:4,” New Testament Studies 34 (1988): 481-505. There is archaeological, epigraphic, numismatic and literary evidence to prove his case.
b. Corinth was a Roman colony. The previous Greek city had been destroyed in 146 BCE. but begun again as a Roman colony in 44 BCE. The city during Paul’s day was a mixed culture, but predominately Roman.
c. Paul opposes the asexual Roman practice of headcoverings. Rather, he wants to adjust the cultural practice in order to reflect the appropriate “honor” relations in the community.
(1) Apparently, both men and women were wearing the headcovering, so he distinguishes the practice in order to introduce gender distinction. Men do not wear the headcovering, but women do.
(2) However, there must have been another problem in Corinth. Why does Paul emphasize that women should wear the headcovering? Probably there were some women, by virtue of their Greek culture (where women did not wear any headcovering in rituals), did not wear the headcovering. They may have even seen this as a sign of freedom in Christ.
d. Consequently, the headcovering is a ritual (worship) practice in Roman religion that has been carried over into the Corinthian assemblies. Paul does not mind the headcovering, but he thinks it should symbolize the honor relationships between genders. Thus, men must honor their head not wearing the headcovering and women must honor their head by wearing the headcovering.
Mb>References to the Roman Practice:
"Why is it that when they worship the gods, they cover their heads, but when they meet any of their fellow-men worthy of honour, if they happen to have the toga over the head, they uncover?" (Plutarch, Moralia, The Roman Questions 10)
"It is no piety to show oneself often with covered head, turning towards a stone and approaching every altar, none to prostrate upon the ground and to spread open the palms before shrines of the gods . . ." (Lucretius de Rerum Natura 5.1198-1201).
". . . and when now thou raisest altars and payest vows on the shore, veil thy hair with covering of purple robe, that in the worship of the gods no hostile face may intrude amid the holy fires and mar the omens" (Virgil Aeneis 3.403-409).
"It was in accordance with the traditional usages, then, that Camillus, after making his prayer and drawing his garment down over his head, wished to turn his back; . . ." (Dionysius of Halicarnassus The Roman Antiquities 12.16.4).
His comment at c. (1) above explains why men are "brought into it", 1 Cor. 11:4. They were covering their heads when they prayed!
His article was the last piece of the puzzle for me; I have concluded Paul's teaching is universal in application and the real issue is maintaining gender distinction. This was also very important under the law of Moses.
At the church we attend, women neither wear head coverings nor maintain long hair. While I was working my way through this issue my dear wife said "If you think I should wear a head covering, I will wear one". I'm sure people would have thought it odd; I think she was relieved when I concluded it was unnecessary. To this day, I can not pray with anything on my head!
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A Berean
Hi Michelle, nice to dialog with you once again. Thanks for the welcome.MichelleM wrote:Hi Loaves,
Nice to see you here again. I have a question...and it's truly just a question; I'm not making a statement in any way, shape or form. Do you have any articles about head covering from a woman's point of view? Like maybe how a woman feels blessed by following that teaching? Or maybe a woman who used to not cover her head, but became convinced that she should?
Below, I've just jotted down some links of sites i've been to, and which Christian women I know of have enjoyed. Some of these sites include testimonies.
http://www.prayercoverings.com/
http://www.headcoverings.com/
http://www.christiancoverings.com/
http://www.modesthandmaidens.com/
http://www.expage.com/page/headcovering
http://www.letherbecovered.com/index_files/Page391.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2 ... ring_x.htm
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Reason:
Reason:
Agape,
loaves
"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)
loaves
"And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves...And they did all eat, and were filled" (Mark 6:41-42)