PROPHECY WAS FULFILLED … you likely observed it.
But, you likely did not recognize it as a specific prophetic event taking place, even though described in the Book of Revelation.
I am referring to the “rider on the first white horse” described in Rev 6:2.
And I saw, and behold a white horse; and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
This very charismatic world renown religious/political personage did ride a very unusual white horse and he did have a very distinctive “bow” as described in the Greek of that passage, and his “crown” (as described in the Greek of that passage) was unlike any of the gold and silver crowns of Europe.
He was the “image” of someone that literally died and yet “came back to life” … and he had eyes and a mouth speaking great things. Rev 13:15
He and his followers displayed an identifying “mark” on their right hand and forehead as noted in Rev 13:16 and his titled name did sum at 666 using a most difficult language to arrive at that sum … English.
Over a period of 35 years examining biblical suspects, only one summed at 666 … it is that difficult using this world recognized language.
A messianic website gave an example of his name summing at 666 in Hebrew … another showed his name summing at 666 in Latin.
A group of “purists” within the Church of Rome refer to him as “Antichrist”.
I believe our “watchmen on the wall” and our prophecy experts were looking in the wrong direction when this came to pass … as their “order of events” did not fit the pattern they had been predicting. Also, they were looking for the “sensational” rather than the biblical.
Would they admit they were wrong in their predictions and claim that this is all just coincidence … that all these things are yet “future”?
Revelation refers to him as the “beast” … one of his titles is “primate”.
Our Lord called him … “Satan”. Mark 8:33
Our Lord asked him three times if he loved Him.
Our Lord stated that his death “in his old age” would glorify God.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee. When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest; but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. John 21:18
Are you old enough to remember when popes were literally carried?
There is a real Peter (and a real Mary) and then there is the blasphemous distortion that the Church of Rome has turned them into.
Calling Peter “Satan” and go tell his disciples … “and Peter” Mark 16:7. These are prophetic clues from our Lord to students of prophecy.
Just as in Luke 22:31 wherein Jesus says … Simon Simon, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat.
Every pope is considered to be The “Image and Successor of Peter”.
When pope Paul VI spoke to the gathered reporters prior to his United Nations address he said, “Do you know who I am? My name is Peter.”
When a “papal peter” dies, they merely create another image of the previous one. This requires a 2/3 vote among their Cardinals …66.6%
When our great God literally destroys Mystery, Babylon (Vatican City) God will truly be glorified. Rev 18:16.
One of Rome’s mighty “miracles” is to change wine into the “literal” blood of Jesus and the priest then drinks it. Do you remember the saints and martyrs of the Inquisition and the Reformation?
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. Rev 16:6
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth … (the seven hills of Rome) and the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Rev 17:11
The Vatican Hill is across the river from the seven … the Vaticanus Hill is the eighth. The word “vatic” means … “prophet”.
Vatic = Prophet = Vatican = False Prophet
1978 THE YEAR OF THREE POPES AND BIBLE PROPHECY
The previous pope, Paul VI died.
For the first time in the history of the Church Of Rome, his successor chose a “double name” … Albino Luciani chose the name … John Paul.
His reign lasted 33 days and he died … some reports claim murdered.
The search was on for another “papal peter”.
A puff of white smoke rose from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel and the world of Roman Catholicism rejoiced. The Church of Peter was no longer without its “rock”. The Vatican (False Prophet) had successfully caused an image to be made of the previous “head that died”.
And I saw one of its heads as it were wounded to death; and its deadly wound was healed … … Rev 13:3.
The wisp of white smoke indicated that the required 66.6% of the 111 Cardinals present had voted to select their new “Image of Peter”.
Shortly after, Cardinal Pericle Felici announced:
“Habemus Papen” – We have a pope – “Qui sibi nomen imposuit Joannes Paulus Secundus” – He has chosen the name JOHN PAUL SECOND.
On Oct. 16, 1978 history was made and prophecy fulfilled. At 6:44 pm
KAROL CARDINAL WOJTYLA ARCHBISHOP OF KRAKOW = 424
(became) POPE JOHN PAUL THE SECOND = 242
John Paul died and yet John Paul rose again.
Just as Jesus came in the name of his Father, our parents determine our “name”. In fulfillment of prophecy, upon the election of a pope, he is asked – “what name do you wish to be called?” He chooses, and therefore “comes in his own name”.
I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43
It was unprecedented for a pope to take a double name, but even more so for his successor to take the same double name.
Rome is built upon the myth of the twins (doubles) Romulus and Remus.
Have you wondered about the “repeats” or doubles in Revelation?
“Babylon is fallen, is fallen”. Rev 14:8 and repeated in Rev 18:2
“Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works; in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. Rev 18:6 and later, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment saying Alas, alas that great city Babylon … Rev 18:10
And later, alas alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet. Rev 18:16 and repeated in Rev 18:19
This historic event of a pope taking the previous pope’s same “double” name alerted some students of prophecy, because they remembered the words of Alexander Hislop, the author of “The Two Babylons”.
Regarding the 666 beast, Rev 13:18 tells us that he will have the number of a man. Hislop notes on page 271 that the sense these words have been generally understood is that he will be called by a name that has been borne by some individual man before.
Hislop is mystified by this for he states: “But surely this would be nothing very distinctive – nothing that might not equally apply to innumerable names.”
In most situations, this identifying point would be rather meaningless, but with reference to the papacy, this becomes a fulfillment of prophecy. John Paul II does bear the name of another – he is recognized as “Peter”
and bears the name of his predecessor, the 33 day pope.
Daniel said the beast would be stronger than his predecessors. Dan 7:20
Few would deny that the “man from Poland” was physically and politically “stronger” than previous popes.
This charismatic “Superstar of the Vatican” captivated the world as no other religious or political leader before him. His dynamic personality combines the piety of a saint with the strength of a dictator. If success is rated by power and popularity, then John Paul II sat at the pinnacle.
He will not regard the desire of women. Dan 11:37
He will pass for the most virtuous of men and will conquer (destroy) through a program of “peace”. Dan 8:25
He will be a traveler – he remains not at home.
John Paul II was the most traveled of all previous popes.
Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, (Rome’s “miracle” of transubstantiation) he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death and cannot be satisfied but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people. Habakkuk 2:5 Is this not a description of universal Romanism?
During his reign there will be an alliance of ten kingdoms or “horns”.
At that time (1983) the EEC (EU) appeared to be nine horns, but the prophecy experts overlooked that the “United Kingdom” consisted of two kingdoms … The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Perhaps the following is a numerical “coincidence”.
Simple English … A=1 B=2 C=3 … Z=26
NETHERLANDS = 120
LUXEMBOURG = 138
DANEMARK = 67 (European spelling)
GERMANY = 83
BELGIUM = 69
GREECE = 43
FRANCE = 47
ITALY = 67
UK = 32
666
His “little horn” (Vatican Kingdom) comes up “among” the ten … not in addition to them as is often claimed by prophecy teachers. Dan 7:8, 24
By authority or persuasion, he subdues three of those horns, but seven willingly consent to his (religious) authority.
Seven of those EEC (EU) nations were predominantly Roman Catholic, two Protestant and one Greek Orthodox.
He will exercise authority in many nations. Rev 13:8
His city, Vatican City (Mystery, Babylon) has reigned over kings of the earth. Rev 17:18
When this great personage burst upon the world scene, he did not appear as the beast, but as a man whom the world adored. Those who recognized him from scripture were not believed. Christianity shunned those who would call such a “saintly” person Antichrist.
When John Paul II toured the United States, President Carter greeted him with “God blessed America by sending you to us.” Billy Graham stated “He’s the most respected religious leader in the world today.”
Daniel informed us that “arms will stand on his part”. Dan 11:31
I, like many others thought this to mean a “weapon”.
Examination of the Hebrew text of that phrase reveals this to mean that his arms are “outstretched”. Strongs #2220
This unusual identification was one of John Paul II’s “trademarks”.
He (being a former actor) knew how to move the masses. He would raise his arms in the form of a bow to urge on and acknowledge the adulation of the gathered multitudes.
He was the “rider on the white horse” of Rev 6:2 with crown and bow.
His white “popemobile” was a converted Ford “Bronco” in the US and on his weekly rounds at Saint Peter’s Square, it was a white Land Rover.
Might John of Patmos describe this vision as a “rider on a white horse”?
At this time, rather than go deeper into the “mark of the beast” and the “image of the beast” I will conclude with the “bow and crown” of Rev 6:2.
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Rev 6:2
The identifying key to this passage is the bow and the crown.
Surprisingly, some prophecy teachers have actually referred to this bow as … a weapon. You have likely read that claim yourself.
Those who were looking for a military type 666 beast erred in reasoning that the bow was a weapon. Of the five NT occurrences, four of them mean to bend or to “bow down” … that was John Paul II’s distinguishing trademark … upon his arrival at the host country, he would “bow” to the ground and kiss it.
The fifth and final occurrence of this word is found in our verse under discussion.
Oddly enough, its use in this particular verse means neither “weapon” nor to “bow” down.
This particular “bow” is from the Greek form meaning … cloth. Strongs #5115
This rider on the white horse is a … “man of the cloth”.
The specific word “crown” of this rider is from the Greek “stepho” meaning to “twine or wreathe”. Strongs # 4735
This rider on the white horse of religion is in some way associated with “cloth that is wreathed”.
That is a perfect description of the papal … “Triple Crown”.
It is unlike any of the solid gold or silver crowns of Europe.
According to the New educator Encyclopedia Vol 9 page 3575 and other sources. It is … “weaved of cloth of gold”.
Not only that, but it is claimed by some Rome watchers that at one time this “Triple Tiara” displayed the Latin phrase “Vicarius Filii Dei” on it and that phrase in Latin summed at … 666 … just as the six original Latin letters I V X L C D = 666.
Note the following passage in Revelation.
And the great city (Vatican City) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Rev 16:19
The Vatican’s “Triple Crown” signifies her authority in 3 places or parts.
1. on earth
2. in heaven
3. in hell
Evidence has been presented. Who will believe my report?
The papal “image” was described and came to pass.
The 666 numbered beast was described and came to pass.
Rev 13:18 does not state the language to be used for the counting.
The rider on the first white horse with bow and crown has come to pass.
Where is the “mark of the beast” located?
On the right hand and forehead of the followers of the beast. Rev 13:16
With his right hand, the priest dips his thumb into the water and places the mark (charagma … “sign of the cross”) upon the forehead of the infant followers of the beast at their baptism.
On Ash Wednesdays, with his right hand, the priest dips his thumb into the wood ashes and places the mark upon the forehead of the adult followers of the beast. This is where the term being “under the thumb” originated.
Preterists claim Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem and Historicists claim it is Vatican City. I believe God is going to destroy that city sooner than most prophecy teachers expect. If so, they will then be saying … how can this be? … where is the mark of the beast, the speaking image and the numbered beast? … those things were supposed to appear before God destroys that great city! Perhaps then, they may (?) understand.
Can you provide another person in history that aligns the Revelation description as closely as Pope John Paul II?
Does Nero of the preterist? Does Obama of the futurist?
JP II rode a white “horse”. Had a distinctive “bow” as noted in the Greek of Rev 6:2 and would display it at his arrival at the host country.
He had a specific “crown” that was wreathed of “cloth of gold” and this Triple Tiara crown displayed his authority in three places … heaven, hell and upon the earth.
He spearheaded the downfall of Communism in Poland and was a world recognized political and religious leader whose “name” summed at 666.
He and his followers display an identifying sign on their right hand and forehead, and he is the speaking “image” of another that has died before him … that is, a previous “papal peter”.
Jesus referred to the one JP II represents as “satan” and stated that his final death (destruction of mystery Babylon and the Church of Peter) would bring glory to God. John 21:18
Does my article answer all of our questions?
Definitely not … but it does attempt to match up some of the identifying points presented to us in Revelation. Can you supply a better match?
cc cormier
Prophecy Was Fulfilled
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Is this post supposed to carry some practical benefit to the readers? If so, what might that be?
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Actually, Jesus didn't address Peter as "Satan", that is, as the personal being known as "Satan" or "the devil". He addressed him as "Adversary".
The Greek word "σατανας" (satanas) primarily means "adversary". Peter was an adversary because of what he said concerning the things that Jesus predicted about his sufferings and death. Peter had said, "May this never happen to you!"
Young's Literal Translation and the Living Oracles translation, have it right.
The Greek word "σατανας" (satanas) primarily means "adversary". Peter was an adversary because of what he said concerning the things that Jesus predicted about his sufferings and death. Peter had said, "May this never happen to you!"
Young's Literal Translation and the Living Oracles translation, have it right.
Paidion
Man judges a person by his past deeds, and administers penalties for his wrongdoing. God judges a person by his present character, and disciplines him that he may become righteous.
Avatar shows me at 75 years old. I am now 83.
Man judges a person by his past deeds, and administers penalties for his wrongdoing. God judges a person by his present character, and disciplines him that he may become righteous.
Avatar shows me at 75 years old. I am now 83.
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Paidion,
Do you have the Living Oracles translation by Campbell? (may have asked you before, but hey, I'm almost as old as you!)
Do you have the Living Oracles translation by Campbell? (may have asked you before, but hey, I'm almost as old as you!)
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"Is this post supposed to carry some practical benefit to the reader? If so, what might that be?"
Likely nothing of practical interest for the full or partial preterist who believes Nero was the 666 beast and that the speaking image, and mark of the beast and bow and crown of Rev 6:2 was fulfilled in that era.
However, those with the mindset of Sir Isaac Newton, Spurgeon, E.B.Elliottt or Gratton Guiness (Protestant historicism) would see its practical application to the Church of Rome.
When God destroys that great city Mystery Babylon, that should clear up as to which of us is in error regarding Jerusalem City or Vatican City.
So as not to end on a negative note, but I recommended your book "Four Views" as one of the most unbiased books on eschatology that I have read ... I was banned from a web site ... he was a flaming futurist ... he was not open to other views, and that seems to be the norm here.
Likely nothing of practical interest for the full or partial preterist who believes Nero was the 666 beast and that the speaking image, and mark of the beast and bow and crown of Rev 6:2 was fulfilled in that era.
However, those with the mindset of Sir Isaac Newton, Spurgeon, E.B.Elliottt or Gratton Guiness (Protestant historicism) would see its practical application to the Church of Rome.
When God destroys that great city Mystery Babylon, that should clear up as to which of us is in error regarding Jerusalem City or Vatican City.
So as not to end on a negative note, but I recommended your book "Four Views" as one of the most unbiased books on eschatology that I have read ... I was banned from a web site ... he was a flaming futurist ... he was not open to other views, and that seems to be the norm here.
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Hi Homer,
"The Living Oracles" is one of 40 versions I have on my Online Bible program. Not all of these are English translations. Some are Greek editions of the New Testament, and of the Septuagint. One is Jerome's Latin Vulgate.
"The Living Oracles" is one of 40 versions I have on my Online Bible program. Not all of these are English translations. Some are Greek editions of the New Testament, and of the Septuagint. One is Jerome's Latin Vulgate.
Paidion
Man judges a person by his past deeds, and administers penalties for his wrongdoing. God judges a person by his present character, and disciplines him that he may become righteous.
Avatar shows me at 75 years old. I am now 83.
Man judges a person by his past deeds, and administers penalties for his wrongdoing. God judges a person by his present character, and disciplines him that he may become righteous.
Avatar shows me at 75 years old. I am now 83.
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You are probably right. It is possible for any interpreter who believes in a future fulfillment of some kind to say, "When it happens, my view will be vindicated." The futurists can do this on an almost infinite number of points, e.g.,When God destroys that great city Mystery Babylon, that should clear up as to which of us is in error regarding Jerusalem City or Vatican City.
"When the pre-trib rapture happens, that will prove we were right about missing the tribulation" or
"When an atheistic world dictator rises out of a (presently non-existent) ten-nation confederacy in Europe, replacing world currencies with a mandatory computer chip to be worn in the hand or the forehead, and then makes a seven-year covenant with Israel, but breaks it by setting up his image in the temple, then our predictions about such things will be fully vindicated." or
"When Jesus comes and establishes His millennial reign, then all will see that premillennialism was true."
In all these cases, they would, technically, be making correct statements, though they should say, in each case, "If" rather than "When." However, to the skeptic, the arguments have no force, since many generations have now lived and died waiting for such "proofs" that their beliefs were true, and there may be any number of similar disappointed generations in the future.
It is not certain that the destruction of the Vatican would prove the historicist view of Revelation, since every human institution comes to an end at some point, and this can be predicted of the Vatican, as well, whether or not the Book of Revelation ever spoke of it. If radical Islamists, for example, should take over Europe, burn the Vatican, slaughter all Catholic clergy, and ban all Catholic worship, it would be easy enough for a historicist to see this as the fulfillment of his predictions. In fact, much less dramatic events—e.g., the temporary captivity of the pope during the French Revolution, have been seen as such a fulfillment. Such a future destruction of the Catholic institutions would indeed correspond handsomely with said predictions, but it would not necessarily prove that the event was the fulfillment of a disputed prophecy, since such an outcome might result from the regular progression of religious history in Europe.
The claim of Chairman Mao, that he could field an army of 200 million men correlated wonderfully with Hal Lindsey's interpretation of Revelation which saw the 200 million horsemen as a Chinese army. On other grounds, though, we would both reject Lindsey's approach to the Book of Revelation, and have good reason to doubt that the two references to 200 million were anything more than a coincidence.
Those who posit future fulfillments of things in Revelation may fall back on a "wait and see" argument—which may keep us waiting-to-see for generations or centuries to come. One strength of the preterist argument is that we don't have to "wait and see." Two-thousand years ago, certain things were predicted to occur to Jerusalem "shortly" and "in this generation." They did happen, so the preterist needn't "wait and see" if his view may someday be vindicated.
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I was a futurist for ten years … bought into it hook line and sinker, so can agree with much of what you say about that interpretive system.
You said in part … “Two thousand years ago, certain things were predicted to occur in Jerusalem “shortly” and “in this generation”. They did happen, so the preterist needn’t “wait and see” if his view may someday be vindicated.”
Again, historicism is in agreement with 70AD and Jesus coming in power.
Regarding your possible scenario about the destruction of Vatican City by other forces (Islam etc) that could happen to Jerusalem as well, but for me that would not be the fulfillment of the destruction of either of those cities as described in passages from Rev 18.
It indicates to me an ever burning volcanic type destruction wherein “The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping, and wailing. And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads and cried weeping and wailing, saying, alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
Rev 19:3
I am quite literalistic regarding this specific event whether it be Jerusalem City or Vatican City.
I am not sure how preterism views this … do they envision an actual (future) final ever burning destruction of Jerusalem City as described in Rev 18?
You said in part … “Two thousand years ago, certain things were predicted to occur in Jerusalem “shortly” and “in this generation”. They did happen, so the preterist needn’t “wait and see” if his view may someday be vindicated.”
Again, historicism is in agreement with 70AD and Jesus coming in power.
Regarding your possible scenario about the destruction of Vatican City by other forces (Islam etc) that could happen to Jerusalem as well, but for me that would not be the fulfillment of the destruction of either of those cities as described in passages from Rev 18.
It indicates to me an ever burning volcanic type destruction wherein “The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping, and wailing. And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads and cried weeping and wailing, saying, alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
Rev 19:3
I am quite literalistic regarding this specific event whether it be Jerusalem City or Vatican City.
I am not sure how preterism views this … do they envision an actual (future) final ever burning destruction of Jerusalem City as described in Rev 18?
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I have a few observations and postulations concerning mystery babylon or mystery,, babylon I'd like to throw out here and would be interested in reading any of your comments concerning them.
Let's say for considerations sake that mystery babylon or mystery, babylon is a spiritual city like the New Jerusalem is a spiritual city; i.e. the Church. But has an earthly representative city like Rome or Jerusalem.
Babylon, the ancient mystery religion of babylon, the priests were called pontiffs as they're still called today. The pontifical was moved to Pergamos and was located there during the writing of Revelation and was later moved to Rome. The ancient mystery religion of Babylon (paganism, witchcraft, chaldean mysteries) was never destroyed, just moved and hidden in Rome under the guise of Christianity of which they "hi-jacked" and claimed to be the head and leader of which we know Christ is the head of the Church; not papal Rome so it's a true anti-Christ system.
Rev 18:22And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. (kjv)
(Interestingly, Cardinals, the birds were named for crimson clad bishops of Rome. Is that a sign to us?)
The system IS fallen and a cage and habitation for every foul spirit and unclean and hateful bird.
Spiritually I tend to think birds in biblical symbology represent spirits in the heavenlies or the spirit realm, so this verse means that the dark spirits are kept in the chains of darkness in mystery babylon or the systems of the ancient mystery religion, the religion of Nimrod, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil or the esoteric practice of getting knowledge from satan through the use of the pineal gland and it's connection to astrology and use of drugs or witchcraft to divine that knowledge which is serpent knowledge accessed by the priests which are actually high witches. They receive power, wealth,
knowledge and whatever and they in turn worship the serpent in the tree or the knowledge that is imparted to their brains from satan who has access to it.
The ancient mystery religion was and is fallen and became under the subjugation of Christ at His resurrection, of which beforehand He had allowed His people to be taken captive there and I think the kabalah is a direct result of the Jewish people who went after their ways to be sorted out from among true believers by turning them over to the pagan mysteries during the captivity and so it is today. It has been fallen from power, subject to the rule of Christ, but babylon is a golden cup in the Lord's hand, even today. He uses it to sort out the sheep from the goats and to enslave humans to falsehood and wrath until they repent. It is the pseudo-spirituality of mankind apart from God. The lie and the rod of iron used by Christ to subdue all nations, one can either love God and become a captive of Christ or be turned over to believe the lie. The lie includes secular humanism, atheism, all false religions, world political systems, etc and is left in place for those who refuse the gospel.
Albert Pike, a high freemason of the 19th century, stated that "Masonry is identical to the ancient Mysteries" Morals and dogma
p. 624, teachings of the 28th Degree. There is a definite connection between Roman Catholicism and freemasonry even to the point of being able to identify them and their activities as being two face of the same coin, both using and promoting the hidden mystery religion for power; one religious, one secular.
Where the pontifical is there is the seat of satan. So if it's in rome then it's earthly seat is rome, if it's Jerusalem, then there. The thing is the mysteries can go under and re-emerge in a different location but they can always be identified through their practices. There are two systems striving against one another on the earth, the Church and the anti-Christ system or mystery, babylon. All are under Christ's Lordship but He has allowed it until the end and this system in my view, may very well be the rod of iron which He uses to rule the nations. It explains why He continues to allow it because it is the sorting, an on going sorting, but He took the power that it held over all the nations when He sat down on the right hand of God and has controlled it's existence ever since. When He finally destroys it forever, it will be a world-wide destruction of the mystery of iniquity which He will no longer allow because the Father's house will be full.
I realize there are some who don't think it ever ends and this post I'm making really isn't trying to address that issue. I'm just simply trying here to show what mystery babylon or mystery, babylon is
according to my understanding and to expose what and who it actually is. Your assessments of my musings here are most welcome and I welcome correction and honesty.
(Please forgive the grammatical errors and lack of proper capitalization and spacings please as I'm tired of wrestling with the program on the computer and it being 3am I'm just posting it as is. )
Thanks
Mitzi
Let's say for considerations sake that mystery babylon or mystery, babylon is a spiritual city like the New Jerusalem is a spiritual city; i.e. the Church. But has an earthly representative city like Rome or Jerusalem.
Babylon, the ancient mystery religion of babylon, the priests were called pontiffs as they're still called today. The pontifical was moved to Pergamos and was located there during the writing of Revelation and was later moved to Rome. The ancient mystery religion of Babylon (paganism, witchcraft, chaldean mysteries) was never destroyed, just moved and hidden in Rome under the guise of Christianity of which they "hi-jacked" and claimed to be the head and leader of which we know Christ is the head of the Church; not papal Rome so it's a true anti-Christ system.
Rev 18:22And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. (kjv)
(Interestingly, Cardinals, the birds were named for crimson clad bishops of Rome. Is that a sign to us?)
The system IS fallen and a cage and habitation for every foul spirit and unclean and hateful bird.
Spiritually I tend to think birds in biblical symbology represent spirits in the heavenlies or the spirit realm, so this verse means that the dark spirits are kept in the chains of darkness in mystery babylon or the systems of the ancient mystery religion, the religion of Nimrod, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil or the esoteric practice of getting knowledge from satan through the use of the pineal gland and it's connection to astrology and use of drugs or witchcraft to divine that knowledge which is serpent knowledge accessed by the priests which are actually high witches. They receive power, wealth,
knowledge and whatever and they in turn worship the serpent in the tree or the knowledge that is imparted to their brains from satan who has access to it.
The ancient mystery religion was and is fallen and became under the subjugation of Christ at His resurrection, of which beforehand He had allowed His people to be taken captive there and I think the kabalah is a direct result of the Jewish people who went after their ways to be sorted out from among true believers by turning them over to the pagan mysteries during the captivity and so it is today. It has been fallen from power, subject to the rule of Christ, but babylon is a golden cup in the Lord's hand, even today. He uses it to sort out the sheep from the goats and to enslave humans to falsehood and wrath until they repent. It is the pseudo-spirituality of mankind apart from God. The lie and the rod of iron used by Christ to subdue all nations, one can either love God and become a captive of Christ or be turned over to believe the lie. The lie includes secular humanism, atheism, all false religions, world political systems, etc and is left in place for those who refuse the gospel.
Albert Pike, a high freemason of the 19th century, stated that "Masonry is identical to the ancient Mysteries" Morals and dogma
p. 624, teachings of the 28th Degree. There is a definite connection between Roman Catholicism and freemasonry even to the point of being able to identify them and their activities as being two face of the same coin, both using and promoting the hidden mystery religion for power; one religious, one secular.
Where the pontifical is there is the seat of satan. So if it's in rome then it's earthly seat is rome, if it's Jerusalem, then there. The thing is the mysteries can go under and re-emerge in a different location but they can always be identified through their practices. There are two systems striving against one another on the earth, the Church and the anti-Christ system or mystery, babylon. All are under Christ's Lordship but He has allowed it until the end and this system in my view, may very well be the rod of iron which He uses to rule the nations. It explains why He continues to allow it because it is the sorting, an on going sorting, but He took the power that it held over all the nations when He sat down on the right hand of God and has controlled it's existence ever since. When He finally destroys it forever, it will be a world-wide destruction of the mystery of iniquity which He will no longer allow because the Father's house will be full.
I realize there are some who don't think it ever ends and this post I'm making really isn't trying to address that issue. I'm just simply trying here to show what mystery babylon or mystery, babylon is
according to my understanding and to expose what and who it actually is. Your assessments of my musings here are most welcome and I welcome correction and honesty.
(Please forgive the grammatical errors and lack of proper capitalization and spacings please as I'm tired of wrestling with the program on the computer and it being 3am I'm just posting it as is. )
Thanks
Mitzi
Re: Prophecy Was Fulfilled
Still awaiting a better match (from a preterist, futurist or historicist) than what was presented in the opening article re pope John Paul II and 666.
It would not need to be the gematria of Hebrew or the isophezia of Greek because God did not state the language to be used for the counting.
One logical reason for not stating the language to be used would be that it was not in existence in the day of John of Patmos but would be a language more common to the world of Christianity at the actual time of the beast of Revelation.
Naturally your suspect (and or his followers) would need to have a direct association with an identifying mark (charagma) on their right hand or forehead as noted in Rev 13:16
More convincing would be if your suspect had an association with a “speaking image” that somehow dies and yet comes back to life.
You will recall that each and every pope is another “papal peter”, for each pope is considered to be the … Image And Successor Of Peter”.
I would find it difficult to believe that you could provide literal evidence of him causing “fire to come down”, but I would point out that the KJV states that the fire comes down from “heaven on the earth”. Rev 13:13
Note that the fire does not come down from heaven (above) but rather from “heaven on the earth in the sight of men” and that the beast is associated with the performing of many “wonders” and “miracles”.
It should be noted that for the gullible Roman Catholic, their “heaven on the earth” is their beloved Vatican City. And I would ask, what other religion has claimed as many mighty miracles as the Church of Rome? Even raising of the dead has been claimed.
As noted in the opening post, the unusual papal “mitre” with its two “horns or tongues” represents the tongues of fire that fell upon the apostles, and that is how it “causes fire to come down from heaven on the earth” in the sight of men.
It would not need to be the gematria of Hebrew or the isophezia of Greek because God did not state the language to be used for the counting.
One logical reason for not stating the language to be used would be that it was not in existence in the day of John of Patmos but would be a language more common to the world of Christianity at the actual time of the beast of Revelation.
Naturally your suspect (and or his followers) would need to have a direct association with an identifying mark (charagma) on their right hand or forehead as noted in Rev 13:16
More convincing would be if your suspect had an association with a “speaking image” that somehow dies and yet comes back to life.
You will recall that each and every pope is another “papal peter”, for each pope is considered to be the … Image And Successor Of Peter”.
I would find it difficult to believe that you could provide literal evidence of him causing “fire to come down”, but I would point out that the KJV states that the fire comes down from “heaven on the earth”. Rev 13:13
Note that the fire does not come down from heaven (above) but rather from “heaven on the earth in the sight of men” and that the beast is associated with the performing of many “wonders” and “miracles”.
It should be noted that for the gullible Roman Catholic, their “heaven on the earth” is their beloved Vatican City. And I would ask, what other religion has claimed as many mighty miracles as the Church of Rome? Even raising of the dead has been claimed.
As noted in the opening post, the unusual papal “mitre” with its two “horns or tongues” represents the tongues of fire that fell upon the apostles, and that is how it “causes fire to come down from heaven on the earth” in the sight of men.