The Gospel Preached to ALL the World before the End.

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Re: The Gospel Preached to ALL the World before the End.

Post by Mellontes » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:00 pm

steve7150 wrote:When I said "we," I was speaking form a "book writing" perspective. I should have said "I." But now thinking about it a little bit more ,perhaps "we" is correct if you consider 1) Scripture and 2) me as the one presenting the Scriptures.

And what is God's definition of "world"? I would definitely be interested in how you think God defined it and the verses you would use to support your denotation. I would also like to know how and where Paul used hyperbole. I would like to to know how and where Jesus used hyperbole. I would like for you to show me the examples from Scriptures.

Just saying it doesn't make it so, right? Why are your posts so devoid of Scripture?
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So "we" means you and scripture, as if scripture only speaks to you and no one else. If that were an accurate statement then everyone would be a preterist but what % of Christians are preterists?
I don't know how you got the impression by what I said that it meant what you said, but I'm not really surprised.
steve7150 wrote:What is God's definition of the world?

"He will judge the world" Psalm 9.8
"For the world is mine and all that is in it" Ps 50.12
"He will judge the world" Ps 96.13
" I will punish the world for it's evil" Isa 13.11
"The whole world will be consumed" Zep 1.18
"Who takes away the sin of the world" John 1.29
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son , that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3.16
You're not serious are you? You do realize that the Zephaniah passage has been fulfilled along time ago and the "world" is still here, that is IF you were trying to define "world" as meaning this planet Earth.

You also realize that your Isaiah 13 passage was a prophecy to Babylon, right? It was their world that would be judged and was judged by the Medes (verse 17). You probably think that the stars not giving their light, the sun being darkened, and the moon's light not shining from Isaiah 13:10 (the verse before) are literal, physical cosmic events. And if so, you are probably still trying to figure out how the moon could be as bright as the sun and the sun could be seven times brighter from Isaiah 30:26 and yet be related to binding up brokeness and healing. In your scenario, the planet Earth (if you are saying that world meant the planet) would be incinerated and likely planets on each side would cease to exist...

Why don't you try to define the word "world" instead of quoting miscellaneous passages that may or may not have anything to do with the denotation...you will find that there is more than one meaning and more than one Greek word (as in the Hebrew) that are used for the word "world." But that may be too much work for you to do...

Did you forget about the hyperbole verses I requested? You were the one who brought it up without Scriptural support. Do you wish to withdraw your assertion?

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Re: The Gospel Preached to ALL the World before the End.

Post by steve7150 » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:27 pm

Why don't you try to define the word "world" instead of quoting miscellaneous passages that may or may not have anything to do with the denotation...you will find that their is more than one meaning and more than one Greek word (as in Hebrew) that are used for the word "world." But that may be too much work for you to do...

Did you forget about the hyperbole verses I requested? You were the one who brought it up without Scriptural support. Do you wish to withdraw your assertion
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You asked me for scripture, i give you passages and you fit it in to your preterist system of localizing everything and call it misc verses. How about John's references to "world". Did God give his Son to save the Roman world, did Jesus take away the sins of the Roman world?
Re hyperbole , Jesus constantly used hyperbole, so much that his disciples asked him when he would stop and speak plainly. In fact Isaiah prophecied that the Messiah would speak in parables which usually have hyperbole in them and dark sayings only, a little hyperbole here from Isaiah but the emphasis was clear.
I'm not going to list Jesus uses of hyperbole as it's all over Matthew "if your hand causes you to sin", "if your eye tempts you to sin" etc, it's very obvious. You can find it in the dark unless it's to much work for you.
Speaking to you is similar to speaking with a Calvinist , you're number 1 concern is defending your system, you slant things to validate your conclusions and of course only you understand the deep meanings in scripture.
I am withdrawing , not from my assertion but from the thread because it's not productive.

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