None taken. I provide a long fish line for perspectives such as yours. As I keep repeating, I think there are two areas of misunderstanding among Christians: resurrections and the kingdom of God. These misunderstandings reflect (or account for) the different views of Eschatology.Allyn wrote:No offense intended, but there is a certain hypocricy in partial preterism.mikew wrote: ...snip...
Even when Jesus rebuked the Sadducees for not holding to the resurrection, Jesus didn't refer to a scripture passage on the topic but rather referred to the implications of references to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I'm supposing that if there were a really clear OT reference then such verse would be used instead.
(Maybe Dan 12:2 or Dan 12:13 were not quite appropriate as a response in the situation with the Sadducees.)
So anyhow... what did you think of the ideas about Gen 3:15?
Have you seen some other analyses on Gen 3:15 as a having a fulfillment?
Sometimes there can be a gut feeling about a problem without having the proper explanation of where the problem exists. I think the problem is in the understanding of the nature and timing of the kingdom as well as about the topic of resurrections.These men all say that Full Preterism is heresy. Look at their quotes below regarding the time texts.
Gene Cook Jr. PARTIAL PRETERIST:
"I hold to all of the time texts"
Jonathan Seraiah PARTIAL PRETERIST:
“If a text says something is ‘near,’ then we must accept it as true”
Ken Gentry PARTIAL PRETERIST:
"Evangelical (and reformed) preterists (e.g., R. C. Sproul) take seriously the time texts of Scripture and apply those prophecies to A.D. 70, a redemptive-historical event of enormous consequence." “Think of it: If these words in these verses do not indicate that John expected the events to occur soon, what words could John have used to express such? How could he have said it more plainly?”
I will demonstrate how hypocritical it is to tell people to hold to the time texts, but then say that Full Preterism is heresy.
Partial Preterists who claim to hold to the "time texts" should hold that they are already in the "city" of Revelation 22. There are time texts regarding the city. The city comes in Revelation 21. Therefore: all Partial Preterists should say they are in the city of Revelation 21 and 22.
Revelation 22
1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. 6The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place." 6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.
Revelation 21
1Then I saw a (A) new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, (B) "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be (C) no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
See A, B, C above and compare to A, B, C below.
Therefore:
(A) This event should be fulfilled according to Partial Preterists hermeneutics.
2 Peter 3
12as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
Revelation 20
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
(B) This event should be fulfilled according to Partial Preterists hermeneutics.
1 Thessalonians 4
17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 5
9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him
(C) This event should be fulfilled according to Partial Preterists hermeneutics.
1 Corinthians 15
55"Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
credit: Michael Bennett
It is quite a fallacy of thinking that someone can shift his opinion to a whole new perspective yet think that such new view can be wholly accurate. (Yes. I have to remember to apply that about myself.)
So what did those men know and say about my perspective on end-times?
(when I die and shed this mortal body).
