In a recent broadcast you mentioned to a caller that Luke 21 refers to the events of the Fall Of Jerusalem while Luke 17 refers to the Second Coming of Christ. This seems reasonable to me. However, what would you consider the significance of Luke 17:30-31 in light of the Second Coming? While such choice seem relevant in terms of the judgement upon Jerusalem, I would think that when the Lord comes again in power there will be no time to consider these choices. Unless again, these choice are not to be looked at as being strictly literal.
30"It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything.
Luke 17:30-31
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Hi Steve,
I have a similar question. Can't Luke 17:22-36 be referring to the fall of Jerusalem?
In your tapes, you suggest that since Luke 17:22-36 parallels Matthew 24:36-42, therefore Matthew 24:36 starts the change of topic from the fall of Jerusalem to the actual Second Coming of Christ. However, since Matthew was still writing about the fall of Jerusalem, it would seem likely that Luke 17:22-36 refers to fall of Jerusalem. Also Mark's record of the Olivet Discourse ends somewhat similarly (and Mark doesn't seem to be changing topic from the fall of Jerusalem to the Second Coming).
Also, the Parable of the Ten Virgins could easily apply to the fall of Jerusalem as well to His Second Coming.
The judgment of the Sheep and Goats would apply to His Second Coming. I think the Parable of the Talents too.
Interestingly Matthew also mentions "the end of the age" in the disciples' question. Looking at all the other places where Matthew uses the same phrase "the end of the age"--they refer to the end of the world (i.e. Judgment Day) rather than the end of the Old Covenant age as represented by the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple. That would seem to support your statement that Matthew had collected some other sayings of Jesus with regards to His Second Coming and appended these sayings to the Olivet Discourse.
I have a similar question. Can't Luke 17:22-36 be referring to the fall of Jerusalem?
In your tapes, you suggest that since Luke 17:22-36 parallels Matthew 24:36-42, therefore Matthew 24:36 starts the change of topic from the fall of Jerusalem to the actual Second Coming of Christ. However, since Matthew was still writing about the fall of Jerusalem, it would seem likely that Luke 17:22-36 refers to fall of Jerusalem. Also Mark's record of the Olivet Discourse ends somewhat similarly (and Mark doesn't seem to be changing topic from the fall of Jerusalem to the Second Coming).
Also, the Parable of the Ten Virgins could easily apply to the fall of Jerusalem as well to His Second Coming.
The judgment of the Sheep and Goats would apply to His Second Coming. I think the Parable of the Talents too.
Interestingly Matthew also mentions "the end of the age" in the disciples' question. Looking at all the other places where Matthew uses the same phrase "the end of the age"--they refer to the end of the world (i.e. Judgment Day) rather than the end of the Old Covenant age as represented by the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple. That would seem to support your statement that Matthew had collected some other sayings of Jesus with regards to His Second Coming and appended these sayings to the Olivet Discourse.
Matt 13:39-40 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
Matt 13:49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
Matt 28:20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
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Hi Ben,
There are certainly many preterists who see Luke 17:22ff as being about the fall of Jerusalem, rather than the second coming. I have a hard time with seeing it this way because of the suddenness of the event and the near proximity of the ones "taken" to the ones "left." Of course, if this was more symbolic than I have assumed it to be, this might not be an insurmountable objection.
I have mentioned that I am very conservative, a slow learner, and reluctant to change my views without compelling reasons. Over the years, I have changed my views many times on many issues, but it took a long time, and it required compelling reasons.
I don't object to anyone applying Luke 17 to AD 70, but, for now, I am still persuaded of my previous view at this point.
I have briefly addressed "guest's" question at the following thread:
http://www.wvss.com/forumc/viewtopic.php?t=445
There are certainly many preterists who see Luke 17:22ff as being about the fall of Jerusalem, rather than the second coming. I have a hard time with seeing it this way because of the suddenness of the event and the near proximity of the ones "taken" to the ones "left." Of course, if this was more symbolic than I have assumed it to be, this might not be an insurmountable objection.
I have mentioned that I am very conservative, a slow learner, and reluctant to change my views without compelling reasons. Over the years, I have changed my views many times on many issues, but it took a long time, and it required compelling reasons.
I don't object to anyone applying Luke 17 to AD 70, but, for now, I am still persuaded of my previous view at this point.
I have briefly addressed "guest's" question at the following thread:
http://www.wvss.com/forumc/viewtopic.php?t=445
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