Basic Preterism Question (what is it?)

[Guest]

Steve,
After listening to hours of your lecures - I believe you have transformed an uninformed futurist into an informed and eager to be more informed Partial Preterist! Thanks for the clear teaching. There are still some things I plan to get more established in my mind but Partial Preterism makes much more sense than the seeming endless speculation of futurism!
Thanks again!
Also - I have ordered your book today, Steve and I should receive it in 3-5 days, can't wait!!!!

Once quick question though -

II Th 2:1
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,(KJV)

Do you (or any other partial pret that is well studied up) believe this to mean the gathering together of the kingdom and end of the dealing with Israel or the gathering together to Him at His future coming? It seems to be the key to understanding the remaining parts of the chapter. It also (at first glance) appears to be speaking of the rapture and second coming. If that is the proper understanding of it why did they assume it could have already happened?

[Guest]

Steve,
After listening to hours of your lecures - I believe you have transformed an uninformed futurist into an informed and eager to be more informed Partial Preterist! Thanks for the clear teaching. There are still some things I plan to get more established in my mind but Partial Preterism makes much more sense than the seeming endless speculation of futurism!
Thanks again!
Also - I have ordered your book today, Steve and I should receive it in 3-5 days, can't wait!!!!

Once quick question though -

II Th 2:1
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,(KJV)

Do you (or any other partial pret that is well studied up) believe this to mean the gathering together of the kingdom and end of the dealing with Israel or the gathering together to Him at His future coming? It seems to be the key to understanding the remaining parts of the chapter. It also (at first glance) appears to be speaking of the rapture and second coming. If that is the proper understanding of it why did they assume it could have already happened?

I would say that it is the same "day of the lord" spoken of in the next line:

2Th 2:1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,
2Th 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

Which is what I believe Paul was explaining in 1 Thes 4-5 and 2 Thes 2:1. The "day of the lord" brings relief to the Christians and destruction to the wicked. It seems to be the second coming of Christ.

[Guest]

If the second coming would bring in the judgement of all, don't you think they would have realized that since the judgement was not occurring and they were still on earth as were the unsaved that they would have known?

Were they just misunderstanding the whole process of events, do you think?

[Guest]

It is hard to read back into the correspondence a full understanding of what the readers already knew and what they didn't know before Paul wrote to them. I myself believe that 2 Thess..2:1 is speaking of the second coming and the rapture yet to come.

I wouldn't want to misrepresent him, but I think I recall Gary DeMar (also a partial preterist) viewing the statement as a reference to AD 70. Generally, I regard Gary to be more knowledgable than myself, and on many things he is. I did not find his arguments about this point to be compelling, however.

[Guest]

Steve, or anyone that has read his book and heard his lectures (Eschatology, What do we make of Israel and Revelation verse by verse):

Is there considerably additional information on the Partial Preterist view in the book that is not given in the audio lectures on this site?

I'm just really excited to get my book and was wondering if there will be alot more I will learn from it that I didn't get in the audios!

[Guest]

Steve, or anyone that has read his book and heard his lectures (Eschatology, What do we make of Israel and Revelation verse by verse):

Is there considerably additional information on the Partial Preterist view in the book that is not given in the audio lectures on this site?

I'm just really excited to get my book and was wondering if there will be alot more I will learn from it that I didn't get in the audios!

The Book mainly gives the 4 views of Revelation. It doesn't really go into preterism other than commentary on the book of Revelation.

There is a lot of information out there you can read. One web site that gives a long commentary on Matthew 24 is: http://www.preteristsite.com/docs/warrenend.html

The main page is: http://www.preteristsite.com/

[Guest]

Steve, or anyone that has read his book and heard his lectures (Eschatology, What do we make of Israel and Revelation verse by verse):

Is there considerably additional information on the Partial Preterist view in the book that is not given in the audio lectures on this site?

I'm just really excited to get my book and was wondering if there will be alot more I will learn from it that I didn't get in the audios!

The Book mainly gives the 4 views of Revelation. It doesn't really go into preterism other than commentary on the book of Revelation.

There is a lot of information out there you can read. One web site that gives a long commentary on Matthew 24 is: http://www.preteristsite.com/docs/warrenend.html

The main page is: http://www.preteristsite.com/

Wow Sean, thanks!
Looks like it will be very informative considering the length of the article.

[Guest]

Hello all, sinner here. I am 'full Preterist' in that I see the prophesies as being fulfilled. From the first time I read Gods word (about four years ago) it occurred to me that The Revelation to John was about something that had already happened. Several New Testament verses talk about it this way and The Revelation starts out with ...things which must shortly come to pass... That along with things that Jesus said in Matt, Mark, Luke, John and other epistles of the apostles conclusively (for me) speak to the end times as having been fulfilled. Our hope is to the throne of judgement with as few stripes as possible to be with the father.
I think that the prophesies that have been fulfilled are still in place in this world evidenced by the turbulent affairs of man in his dealings with himself. The continuance of deceit from "The Church" (Rome) and its factions from the 'reformation' seem to speak that things haven’t changed much. The 'rapture' as it is played out today is false doctrine, if it happened at all the way it is thought of today it happened in the first century as it was just beginning. There is evidence that it was conceived by a charismatic church member in England. Margaret McDonald, a member of the Brotherhood church of one Charles Darby. Fact is there is no history of this doctrine before this time in the 1880s. I have looked at several other doctrine without fruit in a positive way. The doctrine of Sovern Grace is also scriptural/biblical so that is also how I see things. I sure didn't ask to be a Christian, it happened to me. This sinner never went 'seeking' until after he went through conversion by God. I have never been to a 'church' either, no not one... sinner.

P.S. Preterist Archive is a very thorough scholarly research platform for understanding this doctrine. Tod Dennis is a seminary graduate and has a church in Indiana somewhere. This is his work. Ask him questions on the forum for more information.