Steve's Article "What is Church"
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:47 am
Hi Steve,
In your article, Section IV, you wrote:
B. Commitment to a group of Christians in one congregation in a way that preempts commitment to the entire church outside that congregation is wrongheaded and is described by Paul as infantile and carnal (I Cor.3:2-4).
You make a good point idealistically, but practically speaking I can not see how this could work. Let us consider a person new to a particular town. The person is gifted as a teacher of God's word, but is not notorious for this ability as you are. The person attends a particular church for awhile, participating in bible studies or group discussions, and is recognized soon enough for having the gift of teaching and is asked to serve as a teacher. Now if he believes he must endeavor to serve equally in all local congregations (there are about thirty churches in the town where we attend church, not counting Roman Catholic, LDS,etc.) how would he go about this? Go from church to church and ask to teach? Send out flyers advertising himself? That seems unworkable to me.
I think we both agree that Christian unity is based on essentials, and agreement is not necessary on many of the finer points of doctrine. Having said that, the leadership of the congregation has an obligation to watch out for the flock, and must take at least some care regarding what is taught:
2 John 1:9-11 (New King James Version)
9. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11. for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
So if a Bob George clone shows up unawares and makes known his ability and desire to expound on the scriptures, what then? Let him teach the flock that Jesus' words are not to be obeyed? The church service would be ruined for me, and most others I am sure. Anger and worship don't mesh very well.
I do believe that the equal commitment to all can be demonstrated by our love for them and recognition of them as our brothers and sisters in Christ, and working co-operatively with them wherever possibile. The church we attend, and my wife and I personally, are involved with a number of other churches in this county through Love INC (Love in the Name of Christ), an organization that helps people with all sorts of needs.
God bless, Homer
In your article, Section IV, you wrote:
B. Commitment to a group of Christians in one congregation in a way that preempts commitment to the entire church outside that congregation is wrongheaded and is described by Paul as infantile and carnal (I Cor.3:2-4).
You make a good point idealistically, but practically speaking I can not see how this could work. Let us consider a person new to a particular town. The person is gifted as a teacher of God's word, but is not notorious for this ability as you are. The person attends a particular church for awhile, participating in bible studies or group discussions, and is recognized soon enough for having the gift of teaching and is asked to serve as a teacher. Now if he believes he must endeavor to serve equally in all local congregations (there are about thirty churches in the town where we attend church, not counting Roman Catholic, LDS,etc.) how would he go about this? Go from church to church and ask to teach? Send out flyers advertising himself? That seems unworkable to me.
I think we both agree that Christian unity is based on essentials, and agreement is not necessary on many of the finer points of doctrine. Having said that, the leadership of the congregation has an obligation to watch out for the flock, and must take at least some care regarding what is taught:
2 John 1:9-11 (New King James Version)
9. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11. for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
So if a Bob George clone shows up unawares and makes known his ability and desire to expound on the scriptures, what then? Let him teach the flock that Jesus' words are not to be obeyed? The church service would be ruined for me, and most others I am sure. Anger and worship don't mesh very well.
I do believe that the equal commitment to all can be demonstrated by our love for them and recognition of them as our brothers and sisters in Christ, and working co-operatively with them wherever possibile. The church we attend, and my wife and I personally, are involved with a number of other churches in this county through Love INC (Love in the Name of Christ), an organization that helps people with all sorts of needs.
God bless, Homer