I understand that - but I want to know what YOU think it means. And I respect what it ACTUALLY says, not what you imply it means. With all due respect, it's not your comfort I seek, but Truth.dizerner wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:37 amJohn clearly states this, and you have to reject Paul as well.Very much Sui generis (again, not "mere" man, but truly human). Of course, he's unique not since he was born of a virgin without human male DNA contributing to his conception. But, I don't believe he helped create all things, his living in us is by the spirit and is a bit of a mystery but also post-resurrection/exaltation, the Father raised him from death, and so forth. I'm not sure what you mean by "granted life in himself."
You want to make it a "unique" human but these are NON-human attributes that NO other human has.
I'm not comfortable with that level of disrespect for Scripture.
I note that this passage doesn't imply that Jesus has life in himself as an inherent quality (whatever it does mean). In fact, if you show the proper level of respect for Scripture, I believe it actually suggests that Jesus does NOT have this inherent aspect which God has since it says that God granted the Son to have this life - not that he already had it (which it implies God does) or that he granted it to himself (which would be sort of an odd thing to say). The next sentence further confirms that Jesus didn't have the inherent authority to judge but -- again -- was given this authority by God.
I also note that you have misquoted it, seemingly in an effort to make it mean what you want it to." Your quote implies that Jesus was the one which grants his own life. The passage clearly states otherwise. That's not the sort of "respect" for the word that I would think one would have if honestly seeking to understand scripture, and especially for one who is criticizing another's respect for the word.
But I am truly curious about what you think having life "in himself" means - he came also so that "we" can have life - is that different than having life "in ourselves?" Is this some sort of figure of speech or is it just a way to say he was filled with the spirit or something along those lines. It can't mean some sort of "inherent" quality since it was "given" to him by God. So I'm honestly curious what that means if not simply "having spiritual life" (contrasted with physical material life and breath).