Jesus is God

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by commonsense » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:38 am

Abraham was a sower of the seed.And when the seed takes root in your heart, you produce the fruit of the Spirit.
"You bear fruit and produce, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

The seed took root in Jesus' heart. And those who hear Jesus' words, who understand and do accordingly will produce fruit as well.

Jesus was honoring the Father Abraham by adhering to his words, just as we honor Jesus by adhering to his words. By this we also honor God.

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by Homer » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:47 am

Jesus was honoring the Father Abraham by adhering to his words, just as we honor Jesus by adhering to his words.
So Abraham was superior to Jesus?

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by commonsense » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:09 pm

Homer wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:47 am
So Abraham was superior to Jesus?
No. There's only one ultimate authority, God. Those in the kingdom of God are all heirs of God and equal to one another. We are all one Spirit with God and one Spirit with each other.
"Abraham is the Father of all who believe." Abraham is our Father. Abraham was Jesus' Father.( The Father and I are one). If you are one with Jesus, you are one with the Father Abraham and one with the Holy Spirit(God/Father).

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by Paidion » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:33 pm

Darin wrote:But, why anyone would translate θειότης as "godhead" seems to me to be the ultimate in translation bias. It's better (and frequently) translated "godness" or "divinity" or "divine nature" - godhead implies something really loaded towards a plural God but is not in any way justified by context or historical usage.
Correct. I think a good translation of "θειότης" would be "deity".
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Re: Jesus is God

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:19 pm

commonsense wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:38 am
Abraham was a sower of the seed.And when the seed takes root in your heart, you produce the fruit of the Spirit.
"You bear fruit and produce, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

The seed took root in Jesus' heart. And those who hear Jesus' words, who understand and do accordingly will produce fruit as well.

Jesus was honoring the Father Abraham by adhering to his words, just as we honor Jesus by adhering to his words. By this we also honor God.
Dwight - You must belong to an "Abraham cult". Jesus said that He was the sower. Jesus was never dependent upon Abraham. Jesus was honoring His Father, not Abraham. You are twisting and perverting and adding to the word of God - dangerous ground!

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by dwight92070 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:26 pm

commonsense wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:09 pm
Homer wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:47 am
So Abraham was superior to Jesus?
No. There's only one ultimate authority, God. Those in the kingdom of God are all heirs of God and equal to one another. We are all one Spirit with God and one Spirit with each other.
"Abraham is the Father of all who believe." Abraham is our Father. Abraham was Jesus' Father.( The Father and I are one). If you are one with Jesus, you are one with the Father Abraham and one with the Holy Spirit(God/Father).
Dwight - Heresy! Abraham was not Jesus' Father. Jesus had one Father, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You are lifting up Abraham and man. and putting Jesus down. You are not equal to Jesus, nor is any human. You are a false teacher spreading poison and will be judged for doing so.

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by commonsense » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:31 am

dwight92070 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:19 pm
Dwight - You must belong to an "Abraham cult". Jesus said that He was the sower.
What are you trying to say here? Jesus is the only one sowing the seed????

How was God making Abraham fruitful?

"Now Isaac sowed seed in the land and that very year he reaped a hundredfold."
"Still other seed fell on good soil and produced a crop a hundredfold."
Isaac was producing the fruit of the Spirit, the same way God made Abraham fruitful-through the word and the Spirit.

Galatians 4:29 " But he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him (Isaac etc.) who was born by the power of the Spirit."
dwight92070 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:26 pm
You are lifting up Abraham and man. and putting Jesus down.


I'm not lifting Abraham up. God lifted Abraham up. " And I will bless you,and make your name great."

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by dwight92070 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:44 am

Matthew 1:18 "... when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. So the Holy Spirit was the Father of Jesus. Yet we know that God was Jesus' Father. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is God, just as Jesus is God. In verse 23, Matthew quotes Isaiah 7:14 - "Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a son, and they shall call His name 'Immanuel', which translated means, 'God with us'." Therefore, Jesus Himself was "God with us".

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by darinhouston » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:38 am

The question is in what context God is said to be with us in Christ. Wasn't the temple considered another way God was with us? Christ was the perfected Temple of the Holy Spirit and now the Church (as the Body of Christ) is collectively the Temple of the Holy Spirit. (not "literally" his body..... but I digress). This is the way God is now with the world.
Biblical Unitarian wrote:The name can be translated as, “God with us” or “God is with us.” We know that God was with the people in Jesus Christ, and Jesus himself said that if one had seen him, he had seen the Father.

The significance of the name is symbolic. God was with us, not literally, but in His Son, as 2 Cor. 5:19 (NASB) indicates: “That God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.” It is important to read exactly what was written: God was in Christ, not God was Christ. Symbolism in names can be seen throughout the Bible. It is not unique to Jesus Christ. Many people were given names that would cause great problems if believed literally. Are we to believe that Elijah was “God Jehovah,” or that Bithiah, a daughter of Pharaoh, was the sister of Jesus because her name is “daughter of Jehovah?” Are we to believe that Dibri, not Jesus, was the “Promise of Jehovah,” or that Eliab was the real Messiah since his name means “My God [is my] father?” Of course not. It would be a great mistake to claim that the meaning of a name proves a literal truth. We know that Jesus’ name is very significant—it communicates the truth that, as the Son of God and as the image of God, God is with us in Jesus, but the name does not make Jesus God.

With regard to another example in Jeremiah 23:6. ("This is the name by which he will be called…the Lord our Righteousness.")

When something is “called” a certain name, that does not mean that it is literally what it is called. Jerusalem is also called “the Lord our Righteousness,” and Jerusalem is obviously not God (Jer. 33:16). So, calling something “the Lord our Righteousness” does not make it God. Abraham called the mountain on which he was about to sacrifice Isaac “the Lord will provide,” and no one would believe that the mountain was Yahweh. Similarly, no one would believe an altar was Yahweh, even if Moses called it that: “Moses built an altar and called it ‘the Lord is my Banner’” (Ex. 17:15). Later, Gideon built an altar and called it Yahweh: “So Gideon built an altar to the Lord there and called it ‘The Lord is Peace.’ To this day it stands in Ophrah of the Abiezrites” (Judges 6:24). These verses prove conclusively that just because something is called Yahweh, that does not make it Yahweh.

The Messiah will be called (not will be) “the Lord our Righteousness” because God Almighty will work His righteousness through His anointed one, Jesus the Christ. The city of Jerusalem will also be called “the Lord our Righteousness” because God will work His righteousness there, and that righteousness will reach over the entire world (For more on “names” and “called,” see the notes on Matt. 1:23).

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by commonsense » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:16 pm

darinhouston wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:38 am
This is the way God is now with the world.
Exactly. The Spirit of God is brought into the physical world through people who are "born of the Spirit."
dwight92070 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:44 am

Matthew 1:18 "... when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. So the Holy Spirit was the Father of Jesus. Yet we know that God was Jesus' Father. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is God, just as Jesus is God. In verse 23, Matthew quotes Isaiah 7:14 - "Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a son, and they shall call His name 'Immanuel', which translated means, 'God with us'." Therefore, Jesus Himself was "God with us".
Dwight, Jesus became a Son of God when the Holy Spirit came upon Him.

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