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Re: Preaching in Acts and Christology
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:47 pm
by javelinadad
Jesus, the infant born one night in the town of Bethlehem, was a son. Every male infant born is a son.
A son of both the mother and father responsible for the fertilized egg of the human species.
There's plenty of scripture that addresses who the father of the infant was. (is)
Jesus is The son of The father. If we would call The Father of of the infant "God" and be accurate, then why would we be inaccurate in calling the infant The son of God?
God, The Father, is the Father of The Son of God.
I'm not trying to be trite. Nor am I defending the concept of The Trinity. Although I've always been comfortable with The Trinity.
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Re: Preaching in Acts and Christology
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:59 pm
by Paidion
From the Nicene Creed (A.D. 325)
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, the only-begotten, born of the Father before all ages.
Re: Preaching in Acts and Christology
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:27 am
by darinhouston
Paidion wrote:From the Nicene Creed (A.D. 325)
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, the only-begotten, born of the Father before all ages.
What’s your point, Paidion?
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Re: Preaching in Acts and Christology
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:22 pm
by Paidion
What’s your point, Paidion?
My point is that the early Christians understood that Jesus is the Son of God in virtue of the fact that He was begotten by God before all ages, the first of God's acts. I haven't looked it up again yet, but that was taught long before the Nicene Creed in A.D. 325. It was the early Christian understanding from the beginning.
Re: Preaching in Acts and Christology
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:37 am
by darinhouston
Paidion wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:22 pm
What’s your point, Paidion?
My point is that the early Christians understood that Jesus is the Son of God in virtue of the fact that He was begotten by God before all ages, the first of God's acts. I haven't looked it up again yet, but that was taught long before the Nicene Creed in A.D. 325. It was the early Christian understanding from the beginning.
So I can buy that the earliest Christians believed He was the Son of God due to being begotten by God. But, the "before all ages" part needs a citation earlier than Nicea. I don't put much faith in the Nicene creed, at least in this respect since what the reason for that language was to ensure it wasn't an "act" of begetting (whether a first act or not), but an
eternal begetting (something that is nonsensical to my mind). Also, I don't consider 325 to be "the" "early" Christian understanding.
Re: Preaching in Acts and Christology
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:41 pm
by Paidion
Darin wrote:So I can buy that the earliest Christians believed He was the Son of God due to being begotten by God. But, the "before all ages" part needs a citation earlier than Nicea.
Justin Martyr lived from A.D. 100 to A.D. 165. I cannot find the requited citation, but he made the statement that Christ was begotten by God before all ages.