How do we stay in Christ?

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by Michelle » Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:23 pm

dseusy wrote:
Jesus asked questions and elicited responses to trigger truth in love...

Matthew 21:25; 22:42-45; 11:7-10; 15:3-4
In three of those four passages, Jesus is addressing the Chief Priests or Pharisees. Do those of us who are conversing with you seem pharisaical? The other passage has a discourse that ends with Jesus pronouncing woes against that generation. Is this the comparison you really want make?
TK, you mentioned it is the forum context which is the issue- I guess I thought of the forum as a place to have a long distance conversation... I'm still kind of new to forums, so I'm probably missing something here- I would be happy to do it differently. Any suggestions?
Conversation is good -- and when you've engaged in it, you've been interesting to converse with. You seem to want to preach a lot, though, and that's one-way communication. How about just saying what you want to say, reading the replies you get, and responding to those thoughtfully? You've done that from time to time, and it's been more enjoyable.
I find trying to get my flesh in Christ a little problematic. Actually, a lot problematic. However, He lives in it, so there is still a connection...
Tell me about your problems getting your flesh in Christ. I don't think being in Christ means the same thing to me as it does to you...

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by dseusy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:31 am

Michelle,

What does it mean to you?

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by dseusy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:32 am

Michelle wrote:
In three of those four passages, Jesus is addressing the Chief Priests or Pharisees. Do those of us who are conversing with you seem pharisaical? The other passage has a discourse that ends with Jesus pronouncing woes against that generation. Is this the comparison you really want make?
I was referring to the tactic, not the content.

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by Michelle » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:50 am

dseusy wrote:
Michelle wrote:
In three of those four passages, Jesus is addressing the Chief Priests or Pharisees. Do those of us who are conversing with you seem pharisaical? The other passage has a discourse that ends with Jesus pronouncing woes against that generation. Is this the comparison you really want make?
I was referring to the tactic, not the content.
Okay. I'll retract the claws and believe that you didn't mean to offend. Perhaps Matthew 16:13 might have been a better choice for an example? Or John 8:10?

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by Michelle » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:59 am

dseusy wrote:Michelle,

What does it mean to you?
Believing. Resting. Enjoying the fatted calf as the younger brother who returned. Attending the wedding feast as one who was called in from the streets. There's no work to it; it's all grace - God working in me, transforming me, renewing my mind.

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by backwoodsman » Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:40 pm

dseusy wrote:Any suggestions?
Thank you for asking. I have several.

First, I appreciate your humility. One who is humble is both a better student, and a better teacher.
I want to (in the most loving way possible) cause a deep inquiry of why we do what we do which I hope ends in people being spurred to draw nearer to God with confidence in His Son, instead of the confidence which comes from ourselves.
(1) I don't know most here outside of the forum, but my impression is that most of the active participants have been on the road of deep inquiry for some time. There are many other Christian forums where there's not the spiritual maturity and openness to God that's here. While we all need encouragement and challenge from time to time, your efforts toward this particular kind of encouragement and challenge might be more profitable where spiritual maturity is more lacking. Maybe you'd find it helpful to think of this forum as a place to be encouraged and challenged yourself through fellowship with equals, rather than as a mission field of sorts.
Jesus asked questions and elicited responses to trigger truth in love... {chomp} I was referring to the tactic, not the content.
(2) It's not possible to separate the tactic from the content. Jesus used different approaches with different people; one approach might be appropriate and profitable for one target audience, and inappropriate and counterproductive for another.

(3) When you talk about grammar and the meanings of words, while discounting the well-established knowledge of those things as unspiritual and worthless and substituting your own meanings, you're not going to score a lot of points with those who are more knowledgeable, or in the habit of using reference materials. This is what Michelle meant by anti-intellectualism; it's counterproductive at best, and likely to be dangerous -- it's difficult or impossible to avoid being misled when you reject the objective standard. A lot of good people have fallen for a lot of really wild ideas that they think are straight from the Bible, simply because they failed to pay attention to readily available knowledge, when they should've known better.

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by Michelle » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:56 pm

Michelle wrote:
dseusy wrote:
Michelle wrote: Tell me about your problems getting your flesh in Christ. I don't think being in Christ means the same thing to me as it does to you...
Michelle,

What does it mean to you?
Believing. Resting. Enjoying the fatted calf as the younger brother who returned. Attending the wedding feast as one who was called in from the streets. There's no work to it; it's all grace - God working in me, transforming me, renewing my mind.
Hey, there, dseusy... I see you on other threads! I answered your question even though I asked first. How about giving your answer? Or at least tell me you have no intention of answering - it hurts my feelings to be ignored.
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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by dseusy » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:15 pm

Michelle,

Trying to get something inside that which it lusts against is impossible. I've tried. Really hard.

I agree with you about believing and resting... I would add remaining (Colossians 1:23, John 15).

I'm not trying to ignore you... I'm sometimes busy and sometimes need time to respond.

Keep up the "Mary spirit" in this "Martha world"!

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by steve7150 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:35 pm

Keep up the "Mary spirit" in this "Martha world"!








"Martha world", that is a remarkably accurate description of this world. Maybe we should rename some devices to a Martha Phone & Martha Pad & Martha Pod?

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Re: How do we stay in Christ?

Post by Michelle » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:23 pm

dseusy wrote:Michelle,
I'm not trying to ignore you... I'm sometimes busy and sometimes need time to respond.
I'm sorry for being pushy. I forget that people have other things to do.

Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure I understand yet, though.
Trying to get something inside that which it lusts against is impossible. I've tried. Really hard.
I asked you to explain your troubles getting your flesh in Christ, and your answer is that it's hard. Really hard. Fair enough. What does 'abiding in Christ' mean to you now?
I agree with you about believing and resting... I would add remaining (Colossians 1:23, John 15).
How do you see 'remaining'? How does one move away from the hope of the gospel?
Keep up the "Mary spirit" in this "Martha world"!
"Martha world" makes no sense to me. Could you or steve7150 explain to me what you mean?

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