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Re: Jesus is God

Post by dwight92070 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:34 am

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Dwight you wrote:Dwight - I think the 66-book Bible was existent and accepted long before the words "Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox" were, so why call it any of these? As for the "Catholic" and the "Orthodox" Bibles - the very fact that you have to call it a name that is a denomination vs. just the Bible or the word of God, implies that something has been added (or subtracted), to fit that particular denomination, so I reject them, just on that basis alone.
How do you know the 66 books of the Protestant Bible are the correct ones?

Dwight - The 66 books of the Bible are widely claimed to be inspired, written either by Prophets or inspired people in the Old Testament, and Apostles or close associates in the New Testament. and therefore, they are part of the canon of Scripture.

The Catholic Bible contains these 66 books as well as the following ones: Baruch, Tobit, Ecclesiasticus, and Wisdom of Solomon.

Dwight - Online information tells me that there are 7 additional books in the "Catholic" Bible, not just 4. This totals 73 books.

Dwight - Virtually no one has claimed that any of the apocryphal books are inspired, or part of the canon of Scripture. None were written by Prophets or inspired people. Why should any non-inspired books be part of our Bible? They might be edifying to read, but they are not inspired.

The Orthodox Bible contains all the books of the Catholic Bible plus Psalm 151 and 3 Maccabees.

Dwight - The same truth applies here. These books are not inspired, and therefore not part of scripture.

These books have not been "added to fit that particular denomination": they have been in existence as long or longer than the 66 books of the Protestant Bible.

Dwight - This is incorrect. The Septuagint was a translation from Hebrew to Greek at around 285 B.C. I don't believe any of the apocryphal books, (many of which were added to the Septuagint, which violated the Septuagint authors warning of a curse on anyone who added to or subtracted from it) existed before the 39 books of the Old Testament. Some may think they existed before that - like the book of Enoch, for example, who was the seventh generation after Adam, but the REAL Enoch did not write that book - It was written by someone who claimed to be Enoch, that is, an impostor, which gives you an idea of how little that book can be trusted. I believe some of them existed before the 27 books of the New Testament and some came later. There were other books written who claimed a famous Christian from the Bible, or from history, wrote them, such as Barnabas, Peter, Mary Magdalene, etc., very likely also written by impostors.

So why have you chosen to accept only the 66 books of the Protestant Bible?

Dwight - Because they were written by Prophets or inspired people and Apostles and close associates, and many have acknowledged their inspiration and placement in the canon of Scripture. Also Jesus and the New Testament authors quoted from the 39 books of the Old Testament numerous times, but virtually never quoted from the other books - with one exception - Jude quoted from Enoch.

On what basis do you reject the others?

Dwight - Because the were not written by Prophets or Apostles and they do not claim to be inspired. Virtually no one has claimed that they belong in the canon. Also, I believe only one New Testament writer, Jude, ever even quoted from them, not saying that they were inspired, but offering information that may be edifying. Jesus never quoted from them, nor did Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, the author of Hebrews, or James.

Do they not "fit" your particular denomination?

Dwight - I am not part of a denomination. I am a Christian who accepts the inspired word of God, the Bible, i.e. the 66 books, all of which have been affirmed as being written by Prophets or other inspired people, and Apostles and their close associates.

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by Paidion » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:55 pm

Dwight, I obtained my information by searching "Catholic Bible" and "Orthodox Bible" on the internet. Whether or not there are more or fewer books in these Bibles than what I stated is irrelevant.

The point is that there are three different Bibles: the Protestant Bible, the Catholic Bible, and the Orthodox Bible, each differing in content from the other two. So how do you know that it is only the Protestant Bible that is the "fully inspired word of God"? I am sure that there are Catholic Christians who believe the same about their Bible, and Orthodox Christians who believe the same about theirs.
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Re: Jesus is God

Post by dwight92070 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:44 pm

I think I answered that in some detail. What part of my answer did you not understand? The added books were not written by the necessary persons, with the necessary credentials and authority to call them part of the canon of Scripture. They may be interesting, but there is no reason to put them on the same level as the 66 books.

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by Paidion » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:46 am

Why do you call them added books? Just because they are not in the Protestant Bible?
Those who use the Orthodox Bible would call them subtracted books—subtracted from the Protestant Bible.
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Re: Jesus is God

Post by dwight92070 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:05 pm

Here's where I end my posts on this particular topic, i.e. the "different" Bibles. I've explained my position more than once, and you continue to want to argue against it, which is your prerogative, but it's accomplishing nothing and leading nowhere. I've asked you before, "Where are you going with this?", and you just ignore my question and continue to argue. We disagree, okay? Why can't you leave it at that? Why are you ignoring my request to get back on the topic, "Jesus is God"?

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Re: Jesus is God

Post by Paidion » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:06 am

Go back to it. No one is preventing you.
But I think it is futile, for the apostle Paul made it clear that there is ONE God, and that God is the Father, and that Jesus is someone other than God, John wrote that Jesus is the only-begotten son of God.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

1Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
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