The Narrow Path Ministries

Darin, You wrote: Even though the text doesn't "require" eternality, I believe the Logos always existed - just not as embodied in the Son. The Logos was always "divine" because it was in some sense the "mind and purpose and design of God." As such it was also always very much aligned with and in ag...

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Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:18 am

Even more scary is someone who really knows their stuff and uses it to push a certain doctrine.

Amen

Well, that's not the words you tagged with εν. I didn't tag any words, you're confusing my post with Homer's. Was just a little play on the mix-up, relax. ēn vs. en Right you are, though I don't think it was simply ēn vs. en -- ην and εν are two VERY different words. As different as It and Ate in E...

Lets try this and see if it makes sense: In the beginning the logos came to be , and the logos came to be with God, and the logos came to be God. Why translate it that way? I don't see anyone making that point. Even though the text doesn't "require" eternality, I believe the Logos always existed - ...

I have no idea what your LOL means I apologize, I thought it was obvious. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος (Jn. 1:1 BGT) Well, that's not the words you tagged with εν. That's not even in the parts of the passage being discussed. But, whatever. You win that one - clearly there's a preposition to begin the sentenc...

It also assumes λογοσ to be a person, the person of the Son rather than a metaphysical aspect of wisdom/thought/expression/plan. I do understand depersonalizing the Word is literally your only way out. But clearly, Jesus has always born the name Word, and a non-person does not become a person. It's...

Lol, yes it's the "in" that is en. But it's still there. THE WORD DOES NOT COME TO BE. Origen: The same verb, “was,” is predicated of the Word when he “was in the beginning” and when he “was with God.” He is neither separated from the beginning, nor does he depart from the Father. And again, he doe...

John 1:1-3 (Greek words in parenthesis) New American Standard Bible 1 In the beginning was ( en ) the Word, and the Word was ( en ) with God, and the Word was ( en ) God. 2 He was ( en ) in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being ( egeneto ) through Him, and apart from Him not even one...

Thanks - that is a useful resource - but it is not what I was remembering - what I recalled was a table which had 4 columns for each gospel and rows which correspond to the events noted in all four gospels and how the texts differed from one another. Very useful in letting one gospel account help i...

Darin, I just now saw Steve's Harmony of the Gospels on Matthew713 under charts. It's called "A Chronology of the Life of Christ". Thanks - that is a useful resource - but it is not what I was remembering - what I recalled was a table which had 4 columns for each gospel and rows which correspond to...