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by _STEVE7150
Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:36 am
Forum: Views of Hell
Topic: Alternative Views of Hell
Replies: 317
Views: 109859

Interesting that Jesus seems to be speaking to believers who did good works and those that did'nt. "Aion" is translated into eternal here and "pur" is translated into fire IMHO to support the theology of eternal damnation. I think that "aion" means age to be determined by God and "pur" is the base o...
by _STEVE7150
Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:20 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Rom. 11:25-28
Replies: 40
Views: 14838

My previous reply was'nt meant to imply that there is any way to eternal life other than faith in Christ. Only that God in his sovereignty may have designed a plan beyond the obvious for his own reasons. In Romans 11.25 Paul calls this process a mystery which seems to mean that it was hidden frm sig...
by _STEVE7150
Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:44 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Rom. 11:25-28
Replies: 40
Views: 14838

Are the jews any better or worse than anyone else? Of course not so then why do they almost uniformly reject Christ? Romans 11.8 " just as it is written, God GAVE THEM a spirit of stupor,eyes to see not, and ears to hear not,down to this very day." Rom 11.11 " I say then, they did not stumble SO AS ...
by _STEVE7150
Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:39 am
Forum: Views of Hell
Topic: Alternative Views of Hell
Replies: 317
Views: 109859

Hi Ben, You may be right but on the other hand scripture does'nt say demons will acknowledge "Jesus as Lord" and "confess it with their mouth." According to Paul you can only do this with the assistance of the Holy Spirit ,yet if that's true than the "kingdom of God" would be indwelling a person at ...
by _STEVE7150
Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:26 am
Forum: Views of Hell
Topic: Alternative Views of Hell
Replies: 317
Views: 109859

Parables never mention a name in a parable? Mark 4.15 mentions Satan Matt 13.37 mentions the Son of Man Matt 13.39 mentions the Devil Matt 15.13 mentions God the Father Luke 4.23 Jesus applies Physician to himself I think that since Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and had just relayed 4 consecut...
by _STEVE7150
Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:47 am
Forum: Views of Hell
Topic: Alternative Views of Hell
Replies: 317
Views: 109859

My own 2 cents is that "the lake of fire" is God who is a consuming fire. If you accept the possibility that there are ages that exist than that would reconcile universalism with destruction since everyone is raised to judgement even if they are destroyed. Universalism does'nt mean salvation isn't n...
by _STEVE7150
Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:34 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Rom. 11:25-28
Replies: 40
Views: 14838

To my understanding "Jacob" always refers to natural Israel not spiritual Israel and "they are enemies for your sake" also seems to me to be natural Israel. Plus the contrast Paul is making between disbelief of the gospel verses "I will take away their sins" indicates natural Israel. This type of te...
by _STEVE7150
Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:50 pm
Forum: Views of Hell
Topic: Alternative Views of Hell
Replies: 317
Views: 109859

Hi, since my name is also Steve i'll give it a shot. The " Rich Man" is the jewish nation because Abraham was only their father and they were rich because they were the only ones given "Gods Word." Lazarus or the gentiles were poor because they did'nt have the knowledge of Gods word. The jews would'...
by _STEVE7150
Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:03 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: Hell and the Lake of Fire
Replies: 9
Views: 4686

I don't believe God would tell us to love our enemies yet torment people eternally. It just does'nt make sense and there is no rationalization to explain it. The word translated as eternal is "aion" which means age not eternal yet everyone seems to unquestionably assume it means eternal. It's a time...
by _STEVE7150
Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:51 pm
Forum: Views of Hell
Topic: Alternative Views of Hell
Replies: 317
Views: 109859

Considering the word translated as eternal in scripture is "aion" which actually means age why does hell have to be eternal. There are dozens of verses state Christ came to save "all" or through Abraham "all the families of the earth will be blessed" or Christ died for the sins of the world. Traditi...

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