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by jonperry
Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:39 am
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Evidence for Evolution - Final video and new website design
Replies: 63
Views: 52000

Re: Evidence for Evolution - Final video and new website des

Paidion, I'm sure you meant your whale comment as a joke rather than a serious argument but it's a strawman none-the-less. You can only make that argument (or joke) by ignoring the real argument that biologists have put forward, which is based on massive amounts of observable data (which you can eas...
by jonperry
Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:37 pm
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

Dizerner, I think I understand your point now. This is certainly true. Our bodies are acted upon by every imaginable law of physics and chemistry. Evolution runs on top of those foundation laws. Furthermore, modern life forms have evolved the ability to hedge their bets against deleterious mutations...
by jonperry
Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:24 pm
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Evidence for Evolution - Final video and new website design
Replies: 63
Views: 52000

Re: Evidence for Evolution - Final video and new website des

You say there's no viable alternative theory, but there is in fact a viable alternative theory. You just don't know anything about it, because you've neglected to educate yourself about it If the "viable alternative theory" is either some form of creationism or ID, then you are mistaken about my le...
by jonperry
Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:45 pm
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

dizerner wrote: Could it be the self-organizational properties in the laws and materials of the universe itself, such as form crystals?
Are you asking if self-organization and laws and materials of the universe are unaccounted for by the the theory of evolution? I don't think I understand the question.
by jonperry
Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:31 pm
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

Hypothetically, what evidence would you accept as proof that the theory of evolution is false? The only proof I'd need to convince me that evolution is false is for someone to present me with a better theory--one that makes sense of all (or most) of the facts that evolution currently makes sense of...
by jonperry
Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:40 am
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

mutation and natural selection don't seem powerful enough engines, in and of themselves, to power a process from molecules to man. We don't yet have a fully demonstrated natural pathway from molecules to microbes (as the Miller Urey animation makes clear), but descent with modification, acted upon ...
by jonperry
Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:26 pm
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

Natural selection would not evolve upward, for example, bacteria into humans, but at best would evolve simple bacteria into better adapted bacteria, or flies into better adapted flies. The fossil record shows no evidence of anything beyond this I do not agree with Jerry Bergman. Lets look at the fo...
by jonperry
Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:53 am
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

Jon, it's clear to me that even if you allow for billions of years; blind, random, undirected evolution can't possibly account for the literally millions of diverse life forms that live in the air, on land, and under the sea. Evolution is not random. Let me know if you'd like me to elaborate but it...
by jonperry
Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:41 am
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

I've always been more interested in why there is anything (the broader question) than how life emerged within the system. I agree that the question "Why is there something instead of nothing" is certainly the ultimate question. I've never had a prophet, a philosopher, or a scientist ever come close...
by jonperry
Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:04 am
Forum: Creation/Evolution
Topic: Miller-Urey and the origin of life
Replies: 28
Views: 22952

Re: Miller-Urey and the origin of life

Even if you ever get to the place where it can be shown that it could have happened that does not show that it did happen. That is correct. In fact I say that almost word for word in the end of the animation I posted to start this conversation. Simulation experiments can never show us exactly how s...

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