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by AVoice
Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:07 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, You asked: Do you or do you not agree that in some contexts it is imposssible to define fornication to include adultery? I do not know about impossible, but I can certainly agree to "extremely difficult". For example, in 1 Corinthians we know it means incest because in the context (the very...
by AVoice
Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:15 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

It is reasonable to concede that in certain cases within scripture that the construction of a sentence may appear incompetent in and of itself and yet a practical meaning can be arrived at by way of comparing other related verses. But on the other hand, it would be impossible for a clearly written g...
by AVoice
Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:04 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, A few posts back I asked and you did not answer: Also consider: Acts 15:20-21 New King James Version (NKJV) 20. but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21. For Moses has had throughout many generation...
by AVoice
Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:54 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice- In your opinion what is the "state" of those persons who have divorced a cheating spouse, in reliance on the plainly stated "exception clause," even assuming you are right and they were mistaken in doing so? And, further, in your opinion what should they do now, if you could conclusively pr...
by AVoice
Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:47 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

I have written on this already. Feel free to respond to my points. http://www.thenarrowpath.com/ta_divorce.html Steve's link has this that I thought to comment on: We are left with three options: 1) that Jesus spoke more than once on this topic, sometimes including (as per Matthew), and sometimes o...
by AVoice
Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:46 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

[Here is an interesting exercise: Whatever student opens that door,------------, commits insubordination. This is a similar format of Matt 5:32 and 19:9. 1st clause) Whoever does a certain thing (Whatever student opens that door) 3rd clause) the negative effect of that action (commits insubordinati...
by AVoice
Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:10 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

So, since you are saying that Jesus was showing respect and in effect reinforcing a cultural issue that the scriptures gave no such weight to, the question still is valid if applied to Jesus' hearers: Do you say that no engaged couple among Jesus' hearers could end their engagement for any reason o...
by AVoice
Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:28 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, You asked: Please show any single point wherein the betrothal explanation is "messy" with regards to the actual NT texts spoken by Jesus. The betrothal explanation is messy when the actual marriage practices of the Jews are considered and especially when the Law of Moses is taken into accou...
by AVoice
Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:22 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Since other places can be found where undeniably reasonable exceptions can be thought of, which exceptions do not conflict with the particular text, does this automatically translate that all contexts must therefore have exceptions? Should not the particular contexts be individually tested to see i...
by AVoice
Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:33 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 75896

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Boy, you are a wordy one! I have re-worded/re-arranged your most recent post so that others who are following this thread may have a bit more ease in understanding what you are asking me: By including the premarital divorce along with adultery as what the exception clause pertains to, you have made...

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