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by AVoice
Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:39 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Matt, Earlier you wrote, I understand, suggesting that the interpretation that the exception clause pertains exclusively to incest is not really much different that claiming it only pertains to premarital sex (fornication). I think the incest model means if he married her but in reality she was his ...
by AVoice
Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:18 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

It being essential simply means that it is absolutely necessary to exist in order for the message to be correct. If the 4 scriptures are all quoted without the two exception clauses,then the message would be entirely different than when the exception clause is present. No. I would interpret the 4 p...
by AVoice
Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:08 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, You are in error. Whoever uses Blackberry Lane, commits an act of trespassing. Whoever uses Blackberry Lane, except for those with permission, commits an act of trespassing. The first is a complete prohibition with no hint that it is anything else, the second is not at all a complete prohib...
by AVoice
Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:49 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Avoice, I feel you are still misunderstanding your opposition. Your entire argument rests on your belief that the exception clause is 'essential' for your opponents in this debate. But none of us believe the exception clause is essential to understand the rest of the verse(s). So you are, in essenc...
by AVoice
Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:03 am
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, Sorry you misunderstand me. I understand very well what this is about. You wrote: My argument does not allow the first clause, 'whoever divorces his wife', to pertain to the betrothed wife. Under my model, in accordance with how the rules of how language work, it works well to read the exce...
by AVoice
Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:55 am
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

I wish this discussion was on a topic in which I had no personal stake, because I would be more inclined to participate without fear of anyone suspecting that I had a bias based upon my personal circumstances. I will say that I think both Homer and Matt have more than adequately answered the positi...
by AVoice
Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:16 am
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Avoice, I still await your replies to my questions. You wrote to Matt: By including the betrothed woman with the joined-in-marriage woman, when interpreting the exception clause, then would not the last clause also refer to the betrothed woman if her betrothal was not terminated for a sexual sin or...
by AVoice
Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:51 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

You yourself don't take Mark 10 & Luke 16 as absolute, since you recognize the exception clause. Nonetheless, passages need to be read in light of all of Scripture, not in isolation. You seem to have a tendency to interpret Jesus' preferred genre as absolute statement. I think you have genre and ca...
by AVoice
Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:22 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

I am not here to win a debate, as it appears you are. I am here to speak the truth. I'm not really interested in playing word games like this. A debate is simply an exchange of differing opinions about what the 'truth' is. You say that your view is the truth, I am debating that. You want to 'win' t...
by AVoice
Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:13 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 77299

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, Though you have stopped responding to my actual arguments, I do feel compelled to respond to the de-evolution of your arguments. I find them to be troubling. Since you are losing ground in the actual debate, you have resorted to tactics which, I believe, are beneath a fellow brother in Chri...

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