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by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:40 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Re: Beholding the glory of the Lord?

I like this idea but one phrase gives me pause, we have two things in conjunction "when one" with "we all" which kind of point to universal truths: Nevertheless when one [anyone?] turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is li...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:20 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Re: Beholding the glory of the Lord?

I like this idea but one phrase gives me pause, we have two things in conjunction "when one" with "we all" which kind of point to universal truths: Nevertheless when one [anyone?] turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is li...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:49 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Re: Beholding the glory of the Lord?

Maybe we have whose face is being veiled all wrong: rather it was God's face that was veiled, and this face is unveiled in Christ, whom Moses was a vivid type of. I'm no Greek expert, but from my first year Greek understanding, I believe the unveiled face is possessed by the "we" of verse 18, so it...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:41 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Re: Beholding the glory of the Lord?

Maybe we have whose face is being veiled all wrong: rather it was God's face that was veiled, and this face is unveiled in Christ, whom Moses was a vivid type of. I'm no Greek expert, but from my first year Greek understanding, I believe the unveiled face is possessed by the "we" of verse 18, so it...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:32 pm
Forum: Eschatology
Topic: Rev 17:8 - The beast who is not
Replies: 16
Views: 12570

Re: Rev 17:8 - The beast who is not

Rev 17:8-11 I believe that most preterists understand the beast to be the Roman empire, however, the beast in this verse is described as existing only in the past and future. Since the Roman empire existed continuously throughout the first century, this does not seem be a feasible interpretation. H...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:15 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Re: Beholding the glory of the Lord?

The problem that comes to my mind when you speak of an ongoing transition "from Law to Grace" is that I believe Paul is speaking of Mosaic Covenant (ministry of condemnation) vs. New Covenant (ministry of righteousness), and I do not believe our move from one covenant to the other is ongoing, but a...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:18 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Re: Beholding the glory of the Lord?

In a way it could be both/and rather than either/or. We are always on some level of transitioning from Law to Grace, as it works itself out in our lives and we grow in Christ. Certainly Paul speaks of it as an abiding principle and not a one-time past event. Good posts though, and I had the same co...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:54 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Re: Beholding the glory of the Lord?

Good thoughts, Jay. I can't answer with certainty, but here are some ideas: In 2 Corinthians 3, Paul seems to see the veil as concealing the glory of God reflected on Moses' face, thus blinding or obscuring onlookers' vision of what they would have seen with the veil removed. They were not wearing ...
by jaydam
Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:39 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: Beholding the glory of the Lord?
Replies: 22
Views: 10030

Beholding the glory of the Lord?

2 Corinthians 3:18 - But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. I've always been taught that this verse means a veil like a blindfold is removed from our eyes when w...
by jaydam
Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:59 am
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: What is the right response if your wife is being assaulted?
Replies: 11
Views: 5994

Re: What is the right response if your wife is being assault

Excuse me, Mr. more honest than anyone else, if I didn't have a desire for true dialogue, I wouldn't even be on this forum and I have already dialogued plenty with you and will continue to. It was a sincere question, not a bait. I really wanted to know, and you, Jaydam, were honest and yes courageo...

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