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by mattrose
Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:38 pm
Forum: Angelology & Demonology
Topic: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?
Replies: 74
Views: 30787

Re: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?

Perhaps you missed my short paragraph in my last post No, I didn't miss that paragraph. Although it seems to answer my two objections, your original problem seems to remain unless you allow for free will and desire as an explanaton. Otherwise, how was it possible for this "tester" to become corrupt...
by mattrose
Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:24 pm
Forum: Angelology & Demonology
Topic: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?
Replies: 74
Views: 30787

Re: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?

but, of course, it only took satan about .2 seconds to turn nasty, since he seemed to want the first person he tested to fail. TK Genesis 3 says the serpent was crafty. Genesis 3 has the serpent ask the woman if God really did say such and such a thing. Genesis 3 has the serpent lie to Eve. That's ...
by mattrose
Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:40 am
Forum: Angelology & Demonology
Topic: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?
Replies: 74
Views: 30787

Re: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?

Of course, the main problem I have with my OWN theory is that Satan was a liar and murderer from the beginning. My theory says that he was a morally neutral tester from the beginning, but that those tests could include lies and misinformation that could result in death. I think the verse can fit. Bu...
by mattrose
Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:28 am
Forum: Angelology & Demonology
Topic: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?
Replies: 74
Views: 30787

Re: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?

How would creating a being who "tested" people to see if he can get them to do evil NOT be creating a moral evil? That's not really my theory. My theory is that God created a being who tested people. Period. Testing is morally neutral. God wanted them to pass the test. The tester just gave the test...
by mattrose
Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:36 am
Forum: Angelology & Demonology
Topic: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?
Replies: 74
Views: 30787

Re: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?

Paidion, While you raise legitimate points against some versions of the non-traditional view, the theory that I put forward in my last post addressed both of your concerns. Your 2 most recent concerns 1) How could a good creation include a being created as evil? 2) Why would God annihilate a being t...
by mattrose
Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:05 am
Forum: Angelology & Demonology
Topic: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?
Replies: 74
Views: 30787

Re: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?

Allyn, Yours is the alternative view I am considering. Paidion, It is a personal hypothesis, though I think it is based on Scripture. The James reference is, it seems to me, a statement in the context of a fallen, flesh driven, world. The 'desire' spoken of, there, seems to be an established and fal...
by mattrose
Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:34 pm
Forum: Angelology & Demonology
Topic: Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?
Replies: 74
Views: 30787

Is Satan's 1st Sin even Possible?

If the traditional view of Satan (a good angel gone bad) is correct, how is his fall explained? This is a question I've had since my early teenage years. I even asked it on the previous forum and Steve replied that it was a solid question to ask the traditional view camp. But I'd like to hear someon...
by mattrose
Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:33 pm
Forum: Eschatology
Topic: Questions for Allyn about the full-preterist view
Replies: 37
Views: 3922

Re: Questions for Allyn about the full-preterist view

I had an open mind toward full-preterism, but it just doesn't measure up to the big picture. Reading NT Wright is devastating to full-preterism. The main issue is, of course, resurrection. Jesus was resurrected bodily, as a firstfruits. The word resurrection MEANS bodily. The pharisees believed in a...
by mattrose
Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:12 pm
Forum: General Questions
Topic: Picture of my children
Replies: 8
Views: 1364

Re: Picture of my children

Very cute Sean! Thanks for sharing :)
by mattrose
Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:58 am
Forum: New Forum
Topic: New Forum
Replies: 22
Views: 4976

Re: New Forum

Hey Greg :)

Glad you're able to interact now!

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