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by mattrose
Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Trinities podcast
Replies: 33
Views: 1767

Re: Trinities podcast

I've been out of pocket and owe Matt a few responses. But, I'll say quickly that I've listened to quite a bit of his material now and am more and more impressed by him every day. He seems pretty light on Spirit Christology, which is where I tend to lean even though its proponents have some weak sid...
by mattrose
Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Trinities podcast
Replies: 33
Views: 1767

Re: Trinities podcast

I only was in the same room with him in person

I talked to him through facebook. I don't want to say anything bad about the guy. I don't think he's a bad guy at all.

I will say that I thought his youtube presentations on world religions were very well done.
by mattrose
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:30 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Trinities podcast
Replies: 33
Views: 1767

Re: Trinities podcast

Tuggy used to work not far from me. I've interacted with him a couple of times.

He's a smart guy... and a very thorough thinker

I don't find him persuasive on the topic of the trinity

He quickly dismisses arguments that I consider very strong. And I'm sure he'd feel the same about me.
by mattrose
Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: clarity of scripture doesn't uphold the Trinity
Replies: 17
Views: 911

Re: clarity of scripture doesn't uphold the Trinity

Christ gave what was given to him, so yes he had it but he had it because the Father gave it to him, it was not 'in himself' inherently but granted to him by the Father. John 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. This verse seems to dire...
by mattrose
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:08 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: clarity of scripture doesn't uphold the Trinity
Replies: 17
Views: 911

Re: clarity of scripture doesn't uphold the Trinity

This one really bothers me. I don't see how this follows. Can you elaborate? To the contrary, if He was truly God then I don't see how salvation works - salvation seems to have depended on His being truly a fully tempted yet perfectly obedient man (though God could have saved differently, this was ...
by mattrose
Fri May 24, 2019 7:15 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: clarity of scripture doesn't uphold the Trinity
Replies: 17
Views: 911

Re: clarity of scripture doesn't uphold the Trinity

I am not really fit to answer the question, since I don't feel any real need to abide by westminster or that particular doctrine Nor do I believe my particular understanding of how the Father, Son & Spirit relate to one another is essential Christian doctrine But I will say that I do believe it is c...
by mattrose
Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 5155

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate

I haven’t read the book. But I watched an extended interview with the author about it. I didn’t hear anything approaching an argument for eternal sonship. He did make a (rather weak in my opinion) case for pre-existence (which is consistent with Arius). But I also didn’t see him arguing for the apo...
by mattrose
Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:08 am
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 5155

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

I haven't read through this thread, but I just recently finished Matthew Bates book on the Trinity and it seems to me that he pretty convincingly demonstrates the eternal sonship of Jesus if one is willing to presuppose the NT authors and early church fathers were good at hermeneutics.
by mattrose
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:42 am
Forum: General
Topic: Presuppositional Apologetics
Replies: 4
Views: 790

Re: Presuppositional Apologetics

I think there is a humbler form of presuppositionalism that simply recognizes that until we are working under the same 'worldview', there isn't much hope of coming to the same conclusions. So the key to Christian apologetics, in this school of thought, is to help non-Christians at least consider the...
by mattrose
Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: The Courtyard
Topic: Preaching to Myself
Replies: 98
Views: 56363

Re: Preaching to Myself

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