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by darinhouston
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:22 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Reconciled to God , not Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 475

Re: Reconciled to God , not Jesus

That doesn’t necessarily imply some pre-incarnate existence as God, the Godness of which He emptied himself. Besides, how could he still be fully God if he emptied himself of that Godness? Paul did say "He existed in the form of God" before getting to the section about emptying himself and this sou...
by darinhouston
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:09 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: "Being in the form (morphe) of God" Philippians 2:6
Replies: 6
Views: 116

Re: "Being in the form (morphe) of God" Philippians 2:6

Great link and worth the time to read it all for sure. Thanks. So Darin, do you think the passage is referring to the life/ministry of Jesus in general and not referring to a specific moment? I could see that, since Jesus describes himself as being meek and lowly of heart.... I don't know -- it cou...
by darinhouston
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:30 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: "Being in the form (morphe) of God" Philippians 2:6
Replies: 6
Views: 116

Re: "Being in the form (morphe) of God" Philippians 2:6

This site has some interesting discussion: https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/philippians-2-6-8 Philippians 2:6-8 (6) Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, (7) but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made ...
by darinhouston
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:30 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: "Being in the form (morphe) of God" Philippians 2:6
Replies: 6
Views: 116

"Being in the form (morphe) of God" Philippians 2:6

Philippians 2:6-8 I've started this separate thread to delve into this aspect further, bug generally, this is another place where your presuppositions can affect greatly your translation and interpretaion. "Morphe" has a pretty wide usage and semantic range. It can refer to inner appearance, outer ...
by darinhouston
Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:27 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Reconciled to God , not Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 475

Re: Reconciled to God , not Jesus

That doesn’t necessarily imply some pre-incarnate existence as God, the Godness of which He emptied himself. Besides, how could he still be fully God if he emptied himself of that Godness? Paul did say "He existed in the form of God" before getting to the section about emptying himself and this sou...
by darinhouston
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:54 am
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Reconciled to God , not Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 475

Re: Reconciled to God , not Jesus

'he emptied himself' 'he made himself nothing' 'he made himself of no reputation' before we take 'emptied' and actually think he poured out part of his deity, we have to make sure we are not saying more than the words say just to fit a latter theory. Whatever he did, he did it by taking on the form...
by darinhouston
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Reconciled to God , not Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 475

Re: Reconciled to God , not Jesus

Consider this: Philippians 2:6-7 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 6. who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7. but emptied Himself , taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. IMO The Word became the Son ...
by darinhouston
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:46 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Reconciled to God , not Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 475

Re: Reconciled to God , not Jesus

We’ve been down the temporal road before. But I’m not sure that’s where Steve would go. And he didn’t say begets. He said he emerged from the same “material”? “Essence”? “Stuff”?


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by darinhouston
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:01 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Reconciled to God , not Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 475

Re: Reconciled to God , not Jesus

Emerging from the Father God? I'm familiar with threads like this, but can you elaborate from your perspective? Was there a time when Jesus was not? Was there a time when there was just the Father? Did the Father lose something when Jesus emerged from Him?
by darinhouston
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:17 pm
Forum: The Trinity
Topic: Reconciled to God , not Jesus
Replies: 21
Views: 475

Re: Reconciled to God , not Jesus

I'm not sure it undercuts all Trinitarianism, maybe a certain kind. I think of Jesus as "the Word" or a part of God that emerged at some point in the distant past and Jesus is divine , but that divinity is from Father God. So as "the Word" I think he is a connection or a pathway or a mediator to Fa...

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