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by Homer
Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:04 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Re: Was John Mistaken?

Darin, I can't see how you can fit this into your theory, or why you would even want to. Seems pretty straight forward to me: but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant From Strongs: Morphe (form); morphe is therefore properly the nature or essence, not in the abstract, but as actually...
by Homer
Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:35 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Re: Was John Mistaken?

Darin, You wrote: The "light" is both a qualitative characteristic and is also personified in Jesus I have no quarrel with this statement as far as it goes. The bigger question to me is was the light personified in The Word, the status quo ante the incarnation. I affirm and you appear to deny. I can...
by Homer
Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:38 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Re: Was John Mistaken?

Darin, You wrote: 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The Word was with God in the beginning. 3Through the Word all things were made; without the Word nothing was made that has been made. 4 Life was in the Word, and that life was the light of all mankind...
by Homer
Sat Sep 16, 2023 2:52 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Re: Was John Mistaken?

Darin, I have difficulty understanding just what you believe John was saying about God and Jesus in the prologue to his Gospel John 1:1-18. Could you inform me as to whom you believe the personal pronouns highlighted in red refer to in each of the following cases? New American Standard Bible 1 In th...
by Homer
Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:58 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Re: Was John Mistaken?

Darin, I've long heard it is best to let scripture interpret scripture. Couldn't be better than to let John interpret John could it? Revelation 19:11-13 NASB 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wa...
by Homer
Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:28 am
Forum: Worship
Topic: Great Song - Sacred Lamb
Replies: 0
Views: 46247

Great Song - Sacred Lamb

Ran across this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGfq2LOZkLs Lyrics: Oh Sacred Lamb You knew my name You knew my heart And You knew my frame You knew what I could never know You went where I could never go Your side was pierced And Your heart was torn A crown of thorns Your head adorned And...
by Homer
Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:21 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Re: Was John Mistaken?

Darin, You wrote: Even though the text doesn't "require" eternality, I believe the Logos always existed - just not as embodied in the Son. The Logos was always "divine" because it was in some sense the "mind and purpose and design of God." As such it was also always very much aligned with and in agr...
by Homer
Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:20 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Re: Was John Mistaken?

Lets try this and see if it makes sense:

In the beginning the logos came to be, and the logos came to be with God, and the logos came to be God.
by Homer
Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:14 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Was John Mistaken?
Replies: 36
Views: 20206

Was John Mistaken?

John 1:1-3 (Greek words in parenthesis) New American Standard Bible 1 In the beginning was ( en ) the Word, and the Word was ( en ) with God, and the Word was ( en ) God. 2 He was ( en ) in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being ( egeneto ) through Him, and apart from Him not even one...
by Homer
Fri Aug 18, 2023 9:37 pm
Forum: Miscellaneous
Topic: The strange endurance of substitutionary atonement doctrine
Replies: 13
Views: 44340

Re: The strange endurance of substitutionary atonement doctrine

Hi Seeker, I'm curious about your view of the atonement is. What do you believe the atonement accomplished and how did it do so? Your analogy ("Imagine a group of rotten kids in your neighborhood. How illogical would it be to attempt to remove their rottenness in the act of slaying an innocent child...

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