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by 3Resurrections
Wed May 01, 2019 10:54 am
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Jesus became a life giving spirit?
Replies: 3
Views: 168

Re: Jesus became a life giving spirit?

What about this possibility? Instead of Christ becoming a "life-giving Spirit" at His resurrection , why couldn't it be at His death ? The language that seems to prove this is found in I Peter 3:18-19 and 4:5-6. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bri...
by 3Resurrections
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi darinhouston, Nah, I'm not one of those who believe that Melchizedek was Jesus Christ Himself. It's quite evident they are not the same person from Hebrews 7:15, when it says that Jesus Christ was "ANOTHER priest" that arose after "the similitude of Melchizedek. So I would agree with the #2 point...
by 3Resurrections
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi again Paidion, Agreed that the term "born again" is usually tossed around by evangelists incorrectly. If I had a dime for every time I heard that term growing up in Christian schools.... The way I understand it though, it's a term that really applied particularly to those of Jewish parentage who ...
by 3Resurrections
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi Singalphile, Hope you don't think I am trying to slap a female gender onto the Spirit of God, since we do have Christ telling the disciples that when the Holy Spirit would be given to them that HE would guide them into all truth. Lots of male pronouns going on there in John 16:7-15 describing the...
by 3Resurrections
Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi Paidion, I'm okay with using the "First-born" title, since it's virtually interchangeable with Christ being the "First-begotten". My KJV uses "First-begotten" for Christ in Hebrews 1:6 and Revelation 1:5. So, if you are saying "...Christ was truly the first to be born into the resurrection on the...
by 3Resurrections
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:39 am
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi Singalphile, I like this verse in Romans 4:16-17 that gives us a little insight into how God can be called "Father" at creation, prior to having The Word become His Son at the incarnation. Speaking of the heirs of faith, it says, "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace, to the end th...
by 3Resurrections
Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:18 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi Matt, One critical concern is that the "Son of God" must simultaneously be the promised " Seed of the Woman ", or there is no efficacious mediator between God and man that is realized by any "sonship" relationship. God as "The Word" had to eventually jump into the human gene pool in order to beco...
by 3Resurrections
Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi Paidion, Try this one, that proves the word "kai" CANNOT POSSIBLY be interpreted every single time as "in addition to". Ephesians 1:3 (ESV) - "Blessed be the God AND ( kai ) Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places," If the...
by 3Resurrections
Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:13 pm
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Ooops, I forgot one REALLY important verse example of the word "kai" NOT meaning "in addition to". John 3:5 (KJV) - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and ( kai ) of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." The baptismal regeneration adherents...
by 3Resurrections
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:56 am
Forum: Theology Proper, Christology, Pneumatology
Topic: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"
Replies: 66
Views: 4041

Re: Proverbs 30, and Jesus' pre-incarnate "sonship"

Hi Paidion, A few verses where " kai " means even or namely (as Strong lists it). Revelation 1:7 (YLT) - "Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even ( kai ) those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!" This verse shows that ...

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