The Narrow Path Ministries

an opposite condition needs to exist in eternity to demonstrate being saved from something REAL in eternity There is indeed a real condition that is opposite to being saved. It is called "alienated from God." We Christians have all been saved from that condition for all eternity. For this to be tru...

I was once asked by Steve on the radio (before he published his book), "How we know which position is the correct one?" I was quick to point out the process of elimination. First we show how universalism is not a viable concept...and then once we have narrowed it down to annihilationalism or Conditi...

Your answer is way back on Page 1 of this thread (and repeated several times thereafter), but you didn't consider it satisfactory then, and I don't expect you will now. No one ever gave an example of something where an opposite condition did not exist in reality. You'll never get a satisfactory ans...

Then a step forward in this discussion has been made as you agree that using a different word than saved undermines the argument you are making. Having to use a different word other than the English word "saved" IS my argument.... so using a different word would not undermine the purpose of this th...

Let's do this. Suppose the logician asks you for an example of ANY time or any case for which we use the word salvation in this lifetime and there is no opposite condition of non-salvation existing. Just give us ONE example where you can have an actual rescue of someone...or where someone is "saved...

I think I have a challenge to what you say is a logical fallacy. It's sort of a converse arrangement to what you've laid out. I've heard you on the radio. I think (I could be mistaken) you hold to a Reformed view of the elect, that is their number is certain and unchangeable. Is this basically your...

I have no trouble using the word "delivered" instead of "saved". Suppose I said that no one at all is "saved", rather all people are merely "delivered". How would you reply? That would be the beginning consistency that we would be looking for so we could then proceed to see the implications of whet...

But then it would be doubly so in the case of the person actually in hell. Their "repentance", if you could call it that, would seem to be totally based on the desire to extricate themselves from the awful state they are in. How do you "change your mind" when you are experiencing the brute reality ...

It is because THAT is the subject matter...how things end up in eternity This is begging the question. What specific question is it begging? The subject matter of the fallacy IS the state of things in eternity. You can't back out of eternity and give examples of things that are temporary and change...

There is an opposite condition of being saved. It does not exist in eternity,.... Just stopping right there and looking at the phrase "it does not exist in eternity" should help you see that IF we DO go to address the state of things in eternity as the subject matter, THEN something is not existing...