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by AVoice
Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:08 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Avoice, I don't know how many times I can say the same thing. Based on your comment just now, it is clear that you still don't quite get where the differences exist between us. You continue to not grasp the fact that how a text 'sounds' to you is not necessarily how is 'sounds' to everyone. The int...
by AVoice
Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:10 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

But, granting the way I read it, there is no grammatical problem. My interpretation is only blurry through your lens. So, I think we are at an impasse. I read Jesus differently than you. I think it is a more consistent and less confusing way. I am sure you think the opposite. Both sides have been a...
by AVoice
Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:55 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, Your initial post and title indicates that those you disagree with have made an assumption, but you also have made an assumption. You assume that Mark and Luke's hearers did not have an implicit understanding that a marriage could be ended (the marriage contract broken) because of adultery....
by AVoice
Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:31 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

I disagree with the thrust of pretty much everything you said in that post. Human marriage is a shadow/symbol of the divine romance, not the reverse. Certainly God's 'divorce' in the OT is relevant to this discussion. The relevancy, of course, requires interpretive care. Your blanket dismissal stri...
by AVoice
Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:08 am
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

AVoice, You do not seem to recognize that a statement which seems absolute may not be so. A person may say something realizing that an exception is understood by the hearer. When training a person to be a police officer, the trainer might say that policemen are not to exceed the posted speed limit ...
by AVoice
Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:01 am
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

I had earlier asked if you believe that if a Christian man lived in a country whose laws allowed polygamy, does the NT allow him to have more than one wife? I think the NT points to the 1 man + 1 woman paradigm. Thus, I don't think that countries laws should really factor in to his thinking. If a C...
by AVoice
Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:20 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

The question I'm asking now is that if there were any way that the betrothal model does not work grammatically, then please let that be known. The grammar fits perfectly in Matt 5;32 and 19;9 when the betrothal model is applied. I don't recall this being the issue. Matt has agreed that the wording ...
by AVoice
Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:23 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Avoice, I have seriously tried to answer all of your questions. I think it is more the case that you don't like my answers than that I haven't given them. If you can provide a list of questions that have remained unanswered, I'd be glad to get to them. I only ask that you ask them in 1 or 2 sentenc...
by AVoice
Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:58 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Avoice, I have seriously tried to answer all of your questions. I think it is more the case that you don't like my answers than that I haven't given them. If you can provide a list of questions that have remained unanswered, I'd be glad to get to them. I only ask that you ask them in 1 or 2 sentenc...
by AVoice
Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:58 pm
Forum: Essays and Writings
Topic: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce
Replies: 158
Views: 41945

Re: The deficiency of the assumption that Jesus allows divorce

Avoice, I have seriously tried to answer all of your questions. I think it is more the case that you don't like my answers than that I haven't given them. If you can provide a list of questions that have remained unanswered, I'd be glad to get to them. I only ask that you ask them in 1 or 2 sentenc...

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