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THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby Paidion » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:31 pm

Here are the 16 commandments of Jesus. Do we obey ALL of them?

The Sixteen Commandments of Jesus
1. Do not get angry. (Matt 5:22)
2. Do not commit adultery. (Matt 5:28)
3. Do not separate from your spouse. (Matt 5:32)
4. Do not take an oath (Matt 5: 34)
5. Do not resist an evil person (Matt 5:39)
6. Give to the one who asks you for something. (Matt 5:42)
7. Love your enemies, pray for them, and do good to them. (Matt 5:44)
8. Do not give alms, pray, or fast in order to receive praise from people.(Matt 6:1,5,16)
9. Pardon people for their blunders. (Matt 6: 14)
10. Do not hoard goods or be a slave to money. (Matt 6: 19,24)
11. Do not be anxious about your physical needs. (Matt 6:31,34)
12. Do not condemn people. (Matt 7:1)
13. Do not give holy things to those who cannot appreciate them. (Matt 7:6)
14. Ask for what you need, and you will be given it. (Matt 7:7)
15. Whatever you want people to do for you, do for them (Matt 7:12)
16. Beware of false prophets. (Matt7:15)
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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby MMathis » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:09 pm

I've read number 4 several times. Are you referring to an oath of office or the oath you take upon entering the military? Trying to put in context and I'm coming up not understanding.
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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby Paidion » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:28 pm

MMathis wrote:I've read number 4 several times. Are you referring to an oath of office or the oath you take upon entering the military? Trying to put in context and I'm coming up not understanding.


Yes, that is exactly the kind of oath to which our Lord refers. I think the context makes this clear.

33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’
34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil. (Matthew 5:33-37 ESV)

In modern courts, people have been asked to take the Bible into their hands and swear by it that they are telling the truth.
I think Jesus forbade oaths for the reason that God's people should be trusted to tell the truth. Others may lie, but by taking an oath they are trying to affirm, "This time I'm REALLY telling the truth."
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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby Paidion » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:34 pm

Oh, I forgot to mention. In Canada, when people refuse to take an oath, based on their personal conviction, instead of signing a legal paper that begins with "I swear that..." they are permitted to change the word "swear" to "affirm."
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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENT

Postby MMathis » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:07 pm

I don't know if that's possible here in the states. I have not held a public office, however I have served in the military and testified in court. I do find it odd that liberals want God banished from the public square, yet make you swear to anything. Affirm or swearing is the same thing as far as I'm concerned. Without God, there are no rules, so why ask anyone to comply with anything? Who says anyone deserves the truth? Who's truth.

I don't disagree with you on any point, just trying to figure things out.
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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby Paidion » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:46 pm

Affirm or swearing is the same thing as far as I'm concerned.

To affirm is simply to assert or say. Here are some dictionary definitions:

— To testify or declare by affirmation as distinguished from swearing an oath (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)
— State emphatically or publicly. (Oxford Dictionary)
— To assert positively (Wiktionary)
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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby robbyyoung » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:33 am

Hi Paidion,

There seems to be a misunderstanding here that causes a contradiction in scripture, for example Deut. 6:13 and 10:20, as well as its practical application in 1 Kings 2:23 and Jeremiah 12:16 all demand the opposite of what your saying.

Nehemia Gordon is a Hebrew scholar who solved the Greek Matt 5 error in translation by using the Hebrew Matthew text and the Torah. Basically, Yeshua said Do Not swear Falsely (Lev. 19:12). Therefore, if Gordon is correct, taking an oath in God's name Is Not prohibited, as it was obviously practiced and demanded by The Law throughout scripture when done correctly. If you are interested in listening to his 15 min. lecture on this, here’s the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqBUg77UPO4

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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby Homer » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:43 am

Dallas Willard in one of his books makes an interesting point. When we "swear" to tell the truth we are manipulating people.
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Re: THE 16 COMMANDMENTS

Postby Paidion » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:10 pm

Greetings Robby, you wrote:There seems to be a misunderstanding here that causes a contradiction in scripture, for example Deut. 6:13 and 10:20, as well as its practical application in 1 Kings 2:23 and Jeremiah 12:16 all demand the opposite of what your saying.


Jesus didn't mind contradicting some of the statements made in the Old Testament and attributed to God. Just keep reading what He said. Either He made the OT laws even more strict, or else He said the opposite.
For example, immediately after His command not to take an oath at all, He said:

"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.


This is a direct contradiction to what Moses wrote that God said, as recorded in Exodus 22 about revenge or "getting even" at least in some cases:
When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. (Exodus 21:22-25)


You wrote:Nehemia Gordon is a Hebrew scholar who solved the Greek Matt 5 error in translation by using the Hebrew Matthew text and the Torah. Basically, Yeshua said Do Not swear Falsely (Lev. 19:12). Therefore, if Gordon is correct, taking an oath in God's name Is Not prohibited, as it was obviously practiced and demanded by The Law throughout scripture when done correctly. If you are interested in listening to his 15 min. lecture on this, here’s the link.


I listened to some of it. Also, I downloaded Matthew in Hebrew with an English translation beside it. The English reads as Gordon affirmed. But I wasn't convinced, for James also understood it as in the Greek.
He wrote:
But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or by any other oath, but let your "yes" be yes and your "no" be no, so that you may not fall under condemnation. (James 5:12)
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