Hi Dwight,
Thanks for the discussion, however, I believe you're kind of misrepresenting my statements, as well as painting with a broad brush what should be meticulously meted out.
dwight92070 wrote:Since when is it unreasonable and cold-hearted to send children back to their own parents, uncles, aunts, siblings, cousins, etc. in their own native country?
It's not unreasonable, in general. But, when years have passed by and these children are now rooted in the country, it is very much unreasonable. Even the most conservative outlet in the country,
National Review, believes rhetoric involving deportation of rooted children is nonsense.
by MARK KRIKORIAN May 8, 2014 "Although I disagree as a matter of policy, the idea that an illegal has put down roots here after three years, and thus shouldn’t be deported, at least makes a certain kind of sense. But to exempt an illegal alien from deportation simply because he snuck in at least 15 days ago is surreal."
Article:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/37 ... -krikorian
dwight92070 wrote:I don't deny that those Republican presidents are guilty, on a much smaller scale, of illegal actions concerning illegal immigrants. I don't know the details of those actions, but, at first glance, I would not agree with what they did either. But I thought we were referring to this specific case which is called DACA, instituted by Obama in 2012. I don't see Republican fingerprints on this. In fact, why would the Republican Party put forward a candidate who had "building the wall" as a major part of his campaign, if they approved of open borders, as Democrats do?
First of all, border security and dealing with the misdemeanor crime of being an illegal alien is not the same problem. Building the wall discourages illegal entry for sure, but illegal aliens who have been rooted in the country, for years, is a different problem altogether. If their only crime is this one misdemeanor, like
Jay-Walking, America doesn't exacerbate the problem years later with injustice, as if a homicide occurred. Secondly, DACA is nothing new. It's the same temporary deferment policy, like Bush Sr.'s EO, to kick the problem back to Congress, why? Because America will not exacerbate the problem over a silly misdemeanor crime that took place several years ago. Congress must do their job.
dwight92070 wrote:No, if Bush Sr. granted amnesty to illegals back in 1990 (I guess it was 140,000 of them), I am not advocating that now, almost 28 years later, that they should be deported. There is such a thing as a statute of limitation on past lawbreaking. That's water under the bridge. Obama's lawbreaking was just 5 years ago. It's not too late to at least attempt to make it right.
Actually, the statue of limitations concerns prosecution for the crime. However, there is no statue of limitations on deportation. In other words, illegal aliens will be exempt from going through our court system, but if caught by immigration officials, they can be deported. So again, you agree with me and National Review, concessions for those rooted in the country, after committing a misdemeanor offense years ago, is in fact reasonable. You say five-years is unacceptable, and the children should booted out. Well, a broad brush approach is also unacceptable and roots that have grown for five-years could be substantial.
dwight92070 wrote:Dwight: Haven't you ever seen the statue of Lady Justice wearing a blindfold? That means she shows no partiality to rich or poor, young or old. Justice in this country historically is not meted out based on the judge's emotions or compassion. That's what the left wants, but that is detrimental to our country. We have lefties wanting to show compassion to murderers, rapists, kidnappers, child molesters, etc.
Dwight, judges have compassion all the time in their court room. They reduce sentences, dismiss charges, etc... So you're just wrong on this point. You're seemingly trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. We are talking about a misdemeanor crime. Since when do we treat these crimes as high crimes? Lastly, let's not conflate or confuse the discussion with murderers, rapists, kidnappers, and child molesters to the children in question. I believe it's more beneficial to stay on topic with the specifics of the DACA and soft-illigel aliens issue.
dwight92070 wrote:Actually, your no-penalty, let's give them all citizenship "solution" is what is truly unreasonable. That is not compassion. That is being complicit in the crime.
So when did I say, no-penalty or give them all citizenship? You say, I'm being complicit to a crime? Ok, I'm guilty. But are you so innocent? Have you ever seen the misdemeanor crime of
reckless driving? Do you report every incident to your local police or did you get the license plate? How about yourself? Have you ever been reckless while driving? Did you turn yourself in? This is just one example of hundreds of misdemeanor crimes we see take place daily. So the police use discretion, I use it, and so do you. I think it's disingenuous to cry complicity to the crime at hand.
dwight92070 wrote:If only a hundred people crossed the border illegally, I could see lessening the penalty. But when 800,000 people commit a crime, the same crime, that is not the time to ignore the laws of the land. On the contrary, if we allow this trend of so-called compassion to continue, this country will soon be unbearable to live in. That is out-of-control lawbreaking.
Dwight, you act as if all these people magically crossed the border, yesterday, at the same time. This particular crime was years in the making. Additionally, I'm not advocating for this trend to continue. I'm advocating that we fix our immigration blunders and at the same time not exacerbate a misdemeanor crime that took place years ago. The tradition is that we defer until Congress fix the problem. Until recently, the border was still porous; now, everyone is being turned back or returned to their country. However, we still have to deal with the humanitarian issue of those rooted in the country. Again, if their only crime is the first misdemeanor offense from years past, it is unreasonable to kick them out of the country.
Blessings.