Why is the Universe so infinitly large?
If according to the scriptures the two great lights(sun and moon) were not set in the heavens until the fourth day, then where did the previous three 24 hour periods come from? How did they exist with a morning and an evening to each "day"? If each day is really describing a period of time then why even have the mentioning of and evening and a morning to each day unless to imply a relative beginning and ending to each period of time.
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The answer, if we are willing to accept it, is found in Genesis 1:3-5. God created light before He created the sun and moon. Then He separated the light from the darkness.If according to the scriptures the two great lights(sun and moon) were not set in the heavens until the fourth day, then where did the previous three 24 hour periods come from? How did they exist with a morning and an evening to each "day"? If each day is really describing a period of time then why even have the mentioning of and evening and a morning to each day unless to imply a relative beginning and ending to each period of time.
Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
If what you say is true, it seems to contradict Romans 5:12... i believe science does have this much right. The universe is about 15 billion years old and began with a big bang created by God therefore the creation days are epochs as the hebrew word "yom" allows.
Therefore as sin came into the cosmos through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned—
Doesn't the verse state that sin came into the cosmos through Adam, and because of this sin, death entered the cosmos?
Wouldn't your view of long epochs require countless generations of animals living and dying? If so, death came into the world prior to Adam, and not as a result of Adam's sin.
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Good points Paidion. Further, the Hebrew word "yom" must be understood within the context of its use. Clearly the context is “And there was evening and there was morning….” The context is a cycle of one evening and one morning.
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>If what you say is true, it seems to contradict Romans 5:12
>Therefore as sin came into the cosmos through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned—
>Doesn't the verse state that sin came into the cosmos through Adam, and because of this sin, death entered the cosmos? >
In scripture "cosmos" usually means world not universe and the reference in Romans 5.12 is to humanity and where the sin condition came from. Certainly sin existed in the universe and in the world before Adam through Satan who John said "was a liar from the beginning." So since sin existed before Adam than death could also for non-human species. Even if the creation days are 24hours there still would be death before Adam. Bacteria,virus,insects and microscopic organisms would have experiences death.
The expression "there was evening and there was morning" is 12 hours if you take it literally and would only be half a day so i think it's a metaphorical term referring to desolation and darkness and then the birth of a creation process.
And i agree that "yom" needs to be understood in context but IMHO God allows the laws of nature that He created to normally take it's course unless He decides to directly intercede which of course He can do anytime.
>Therefore as sin came into the cosmos through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned—
>Doesn't the verse state that sin came into the cosmos through Adam, and because of this sin, death entered the cosmos? >
In scripture "cosmos" usually means world not universe and the reference in Romans 5.12 is to humanity and where the sin condition came from. Certainly sin existed in the universe and in the world before Adam through Satan who John said "was a liar from the beginning." So since sin existed before Adam than death could also for non-human species. Even if the creation days are 24hours there still would be death before Adam. Bacteria,virus,insects and microscopic organisms would have experiences death.
The expression "there was evening and there was morning" is 12 hours if you take it literally and would only be half a day so i think it's a metaphorical term referring to desolation and darkness and then the birth of a creation process.
And i agree that "yom" needs to be understood in context but IMHO God allows the laws of nature that He created to normally take it's course unless He decides to directly intercede which of course He can do anytime.
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Btw if anyone can tell me how to transfer text with the color on i would appreciate it.
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Steve7150, do you mean copy and paste text that already has color or putting color to a text by using the bbCode tags?
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Allyn, I mean copy and paste text. I just figured that out but i don't know how to get the color on it.
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click on the drop down list above the reply message box that says Default and then choose the color you want and put the text you want in between the two sets of brackets.
So, for example, this is a sentence in red. And this sentence has one word in green. then preview your message to see if it worked the way you wanted it.
The command is always a left bracket with "color=red" or another color and then closed with a right bracket, then your text folowed by a right bracket, a " / color" and a left bracket.
Check out http://www.wvss.com/forumc/faq.php#21 to see how the formatting code works
So, for example, this is a sentence in red. And this sentence has one word in green. then preview your message to see if it worked the way you wanted it.
The command is always a left bracket with "color=red" or another color and then closed with a right bracket, then your text folowed by a right bracket, a " / color" and a left bracket.
Check out http://www.wvss.com/forumc/faq.php#21 to see how the formatting code works
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My guesss would be that the "Glory of the Lord" was the light. Luke 2:9; Matt 17:2; Rev. 21:3,5. Of course the Rev. passages could very well be figurative (I think they probably are) but the others are examples of a literal shining from the glory of God. I suppose that this light would have to be shining in a fixed direction on a then rotating earth to create "morning and evening". Speaking of evening, STEVE7150, I was curious if you could show from the scriptures where "evening" is refering to <b>"desolation and darkness"</b> and not just the beginning of night time. I see words like "darkness" and "desolation" used spiritually themselves a lot , but I can't find evening used in this sense.
God bless,
Derek
God bless,
Derek
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