darinhouston wrote: I just don't see anything to suggest this was in anyone's mind other than some pretty vague and mysterious language by John which could have other explanations and which is very difficult to get consensus in translation.
good morning darin,
i resonate with the basic thrust of what you've been discussing here, so don't mistake this for antagonism. but would you not also include some of paul's statements along with john's? such as, what's called "the carmen christi" in phillipians ch 2, and also "...and without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness,God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory..." 1 titus 3:16(edit- wow what a blunder, i meant timothy. thanks paidion)? or are you starting to understand these more along the lines of "agency" ?
grace and peace...