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Re: The Church Service

Postby Michelle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:27 pm

JR,

You started with this:

Michelle and others, please do not take anything in my post as negative or personal, understand I want your input, and it helps me sort out and put into words what I am trying to say


But ended with this (which is pretty accusatory):

Still, If someone doesn’t want to learn to share and discuss the scriptures with others, and someone prefers that believers not practice this behavior on Sundays, then they are free to go back to their pews and pulpits on Sunday morning. But as for me and my house, I will declare the right to assemble with one another, and I will sing, pray, and break bread with my brothers and sisters, and encourage them to do the same with others house to house... “Teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always” (Matt. 28)


Do you still want input?
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Re: The Church Service

Postby jriccitelli » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:26 pm

I apologize, I rushed the end of a long post and I should clarify. There was sarcasm at the end of my last post, but not to you. The persons addressed in the last paragraph would be those who understand these points, and still 'refuse' even small groups to assemble on Sunday.
This was directed at some leaders and their supporters who have ‘forbidden’ any adult small groups to assemble during sermon times on Sunday, and continue to ‘forbid’ any notion that leadership or service can be questioned, even after being presented with this information.
Note that (I already stated) I am not in disagreement or opposed to sermons on Sunday. I am asking that pastors allow other Church members freedom to make a choice and be able to have their own fellowship service and bible study on a Sunday morning, and the freedom to speak openly on the role of leadership in the Church (maybe its about who is really our leader).

I might ask for prayer, because I have never witnessed such an impenetrable order in Church or doctrine as this one. There is an iron curtain in front of the temple and it is the pastor’s grip on the congregations. Just as a check, try asking the pastors if you can have bible study during Sunday sermon time, and the answer is always very revealing as to their perception of service, control and Church. the large church I now attend allows them and encourages them (hallelujah), but many others in our area don’t ‘allow’ it. I think some pastors could use some education and dialog in this area (I often go to worship to sing, then have to quietly walk backwards out of the service before the pastor notices we are going outside to have Church and visit in the hallway).

This still does not address the other doctrinal issues with leaders lording over the congregations, the unquestionable and untouchable roles of pastors, revered men and cults of personality, misuse of authority, the purpose of meetings and Church, and why the freedom to discuss these issues and others are taken away because of the money associated with salaries and numbers. It seems I am also bumping into what seems to be pastor worship (I just was reminded that June Hunt is doing a series this week on Spiritual abuse in the pulpit, last week Francis Chan was on the radio here talking about these things too).

I would love for my previous pastor to experience the great joy in seeing so many people of his own congregation lead small groups, and he being able to come along side and encourage and train others to do the same (he always lords over all the bible studies he attends or leads and dominates all the time they have). To find out what it is like to share with another believer without always talking down to them as if you’re their father. Instead being their friend without worrying about your reputation, or your salary. Freed from the sermon writing that seems so overwhelming to some of them at times, to being free all week to engage believers and others in Christ. To experience a church service where people don’t automatically leave or go home and everyone stays after talking and sharing. I could go on for hours, but I should know when it is time to sit down and let another speak (1Cor 14:30).
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Re: The Church Service

Postby nancyer » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:38 pm

I feel very blessed that I have a very active, supportive and loving church and still we are constantly looking for ways to bring more people in as well as keep the people we have. We recently changed pastors (last July) and the new pastor is nothing like our old one who was with this church for 17 years. We do a great deal of community service as well as helping our own congregation.

One thing I do is always take extra copies of our bulletin, weekly calendar and sermon synopsis with me and when I stop at a fast food for lunch or a soda I leave copies on the table. (I know an employee at Jack-inb-the-Box took one and was reading it to his coworker). I also study my Bible while I eat. I have had a handful of people talk to me and it's always been positive. Twice someone has sat with me and talked about their journey. I invited each of them to my church but they haven't attended so far. Several people have said "good for you. I should really read mine more than I do". I invited them to join me, but they usually don't. I figure these are the small seeds I can leave for others.
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Re: The Church Service

Postby JamesFrench » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:57 am

Walking by the spirit in the love and power and guidance of the holy spirit (not capitalized, referring to the gift of God, not the Father) is the important thing. The early days of the body of Christ, they walked by the spirit. They did not have the 4 Gospels or the epistles even in the beginning but look what they accomplished.

Now, I am not referring to the counterfeit Kundalini spirit stuff, please, but the genuine spirit of God, working in cooperation with God and His Son Jesus Christ, in the spirit and in truth and love.
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Re: The Church Service

Postby JamesFrench » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:00 pm

JRICCITELLI:

Excellent thoughts. Because of my whole life experience, even I who is for going back to an Acts like "church" was at first thinking "What?"
But as I thought about it, it makes sense. All believers who were initiated into the basics (were not in the room of the unlearned) were able to participate in accordance with Paul's admonitions and corrections and guidance in I Cor. 12, 13 and 14, and all the church epistles actually.

The traditional church is a straight-jacket generally of the holy spirit, or we have the other insane side of things; The Kundalini Spirit, demons taking over. Have you seen the video of Todd Bentley's New Wife with her head going nuts, worse than Hillary Clinton's video of her head bobbing like one of those boobing dogs people put in the rear of their car that moves back and forth, and she keeps repeating "Elephant," as if Elephant is anything important?

So the danger is either restriction in tradition or insanity in unrestrictive anything goes? That is why the new people were instructed on what was going on until they matured.
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Re: The Church Service

Postby MMathis » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:41 am

Most churches have a person that delivers a sermon during the service. I don't think he should turn the service into a press conference with people shouting questions at him. If he did that, he would not be the pastor for long,

The suggestion is tantamount to Steve turning his hour over to a Buddhist, an SDA, and a Rabbi. I don't listen to Narrow Path to hear their version of anything, I know where to go to hear them. If Steve were to do that, he would have to drop stations because of the loss of donations. I think he gives them way too much precious air time now.

If you think you have a message and people want to hear it, pony up and get your own show or church to spout your version of things. It amazes me that people want someone that has paid the dues and rent and expenses to just turn it over to them and then call them out for trying to stifle their freedom of expression.

I'm not saying the members should have no say so about how their church is conducted, but once you pick your leader, don't try to get him to have open mic night like the local pub. Should there be church organizations, that's a different discussion.
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