steve7150 wrote:I agree that full preterism doesn't make sense at all. But, does partial preterism have as much defect as full preterism to your mind?
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darinhouston
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Almost because the premise i can't get past is that the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and the end of the Old Covenant & the birth of the New Covenant are clearly stated several times before Revelation. So why do we then need a highly symbolic book to reveal events already plainly spelled out. Partial Preterism is the same as Preterism except for believing in Jesus second coming, so that means almost the entire book of Rev is just repeating things Jesus and others plainly stated earlier. If Partial Preterism is true the book should have a different name because it's not a Revelation.
The Old Covenant might have become obsolete, and might have started to fade away, but it couldn't have passed until the law of cursings and blessings from Deuteronomy was fulfilled. The cursing portion was found in the Song of Moses of Deuteronomy 32. Rev. 15 describes the host of heaven singing this song, indicating that it was finally going to be fulfilled:
Rev 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and amazing, seven angels with seven plagues, which are the last, for with them the wrath of God is finished.
Rev 15:2 And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fireāand also those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in their hands.
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and amazing are your deeds, O Lord God the Almighty! Just and true are your ways, O King of the nations!
Rev 15:4 Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship you, for your righteous acts have been revealed."
Rev 15:5 After this I looked, and the sanctuary of the tent of witness in heaven was opened,
Rev 15:6 and out of the sanctuary came the seven angels with the seven plagues, clothed in pure, bright linen, with golden sashes around their chests.
Rev 15:7 And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever,
Rev 15:8 and the sanctuary was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the sanctuary until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.
In other words, you can't have the completion of the Old Covenant without the pouring out of the seven bowls. I'd suggest that they were poured out with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Historicists, as I understand them, and futurists say that the seven bowls are still to come. This means that both systems say that the Old Covenant hasn't fully passed away yet.
Doug